[Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page Order: disable a tool

Fri Sep 5 09:44:29 PDT 2014

Quite some time ago I did a lot of testing with Page Order locked/disabled,
but it was done in 2.9.

My results are in https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-23194

It shows what I tested and may help with the testing of Sakai 10.

Andrea

On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Trisha Gordon <psg3a at virginia.edu> wrote:

>  I concur with Louis about the functionality of these Page Order icons -
> I hope no one is thinking of changing how these work or eliminating any of
> them.
>
> Trisha
>
>  On 9/5/14 11:54 AM, Algaze, Louis Contractor, eDataTech wrote:
>
> To the best of my knowledge:
>
>  Light bulb off – turns off left navigation for students
> Locked - turns off left navigation and disables access for students
> Red X or remove tool via edit tools – no access to tool by students or
> instructors
>
>  In your testing below I think you discovered an issue with the “View
> Site As” option, in that it allows you to see what the other role sees but
> it does not really change your permissions.  Try the same test truly logged
> in with a student account.
>
>  Louis Algaze
>
>   From: Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2014 at 8:41 AM
> To: Fawei Geng <fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk>, Matthew Jones <
> matthew at longsight.com>, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>
> Cc: Sakai Server <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page Order:
> disable a tool
>
>   So what exactly is the difference between the padlock and light bulb
> then?
>
>
>
> adam
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>
> --
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>
>
> ** Note change of email address to adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk **
>
>
>
> Dr A C Marshall, WebLearn Service Manager, University of Oxford.
>
> IT Services, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford. OX2 6NN.
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> *From:* sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [
> mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org>] *On Behalf Of *Fawei Geng
> *Sent:* 05 September 2014 16:31
> *To:* Matthew Jones; Bryan Holladay
> *Cc:* sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page
> Order: disable a tool
>
>
>
> Dear Mathew and Bryan,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your Reponses.   Now I have tested both Assignments and Forums
> tools as Bryan suggested.
>
>
>
> ·         Link the frame URLs of Assignment and Forums on hompage
>
> ·         Padlock tool hid the tool from the left hand side, but it did
> not prevent an “Access” user from viewing the tools (e.g. replying to the
> messages in a discussion forum)  via the link on the homepage.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Fawei
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Matthew Jones [mailto:matthew at longsight.com
> <matthew at longsight.com>]
> *Sent:* 03 September 2014 19:16
> *To:* Bryan Holladay
> *Cc:* Fawei Geng; sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page
> Order: disable a tool
>
>
>
> Agree about resources,
>
>
>
> You can still see the resources and files from where? From a link on the
> portal or somewhere else? The lightbulb (hide) button buttons only prevents
> access to the tool from the portal level. It doesn't actually block
> anything on the tool level or put up any new security restrictions on
> files. The disable button locks down the tool further (removes site.upd)
> which removes it from more places, but still doesn't prevent access to
> files if you know the URL and the user has access.
>
>
>
> In Sakai 10, you can actually make folder Hidden, which allow access to
> the contents but prevent seeing the actual folders. You can make
> folders/files completely private/inaccessible or restrict access only to
> certain groups through permissions at the directory level.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>
> wrote:
>
> Resources may be a bad example to test with. I know that it has it's own
> settings when it comes to public and private data. Do you see this same
> behavior with other tools like forums, assignments, etc?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Fawei Geng <fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Many thanks Bryan for your swift response.  To provide a bit background
> information, it is worth saying that we use “Project’ site at Oxford with
> “Access” and “Maintain” roles.
>
>
>
> For the lightbulb, I thought it always works as ‘hidden’ feature ( was not
> aware that it also disables the tool).  For example, we often hide the
> ‘Resources’ tool from the left hand side and link the relevant
> files/folders using the “Web content” tool which presents a neater view of
> the files.   If the purpose of padlock is to hide and disable a tool,  is
> this equivalent to removing the tool via Site Info> Edit tools?
>
>
>
> I am also a bit confused by the term ‘disable’ here after my experiment
> (see below).  Although I disabled the Resources tool, the student can still
> see the files.
>
>
>
> This is how I tried:
>
>
>
> Step 1.
>
>
>
> ·         Go to the top-level folder in Resources where contains a number
> of files and folders
>
> ·         Click “Actions” next to the folder and select “Make Web Content
> Link” to link Resources files/folder from the left hand side of the page
>
>
>
> Step 2:
>
>
>
> Tested the padlock:
>
> ·         Go to Site Info > Page order > Padlock tool to disable
> Resources
>
> ·         Log into the site as a ‘Access’ role and click on the Web
> Content link, I still can see the Resources files/folders
>
> ·
>
> Step 3:
>
>
>
> Tested the removing tool from the site:
>
> ·         Undo what I did in Step 2 to put the tool back to its original
> status
>
> ·         Go to Site Info > Edit tools> untick “Resources” from the left
> hand side
>
> ·         Log into the site as a ‘Access’ role and click on the Web
> Content link, again I can see the Resources files/folders
>
>
>
> To sum up, it seems that the padlock feature is the same as ‘removing
> tool” via Site Info> Edit Tool.   Both methods do not really ‘disable’ the
> tool.
>
>
>
> Any comments are very welcome.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
>
> Fawei
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* Bryan Holladay [mailto:holladay at longsight.com]
> *Sent:* 03 September 2014 13:44
> *To:* Fawei Geng
> *Cc:* sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page
> Order: disable a tool
>
>
>
> They have two distinct functionalities. The lightbulb is used to hide the
> tool, but allows users to still access it. This was introduced for Lessons
> where, for example, an instructor would want to use the forums tool inside
> the lessons tool but not have the forums tool show up on the left hand
> menu. The padlock replaced the old lightbulb's functionality where it hides
> and disables the tool for users.
>
>
>
> -Bryan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Fawei Geng <fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Here is the screenshot.
>
>
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> Fawei Geng, FHEA CMALT MBCS
>
> Learning Technology Support Officer
> IT Services, University of Oxford
>
> 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN
>
> Blog: http://blogs.oucs.ox.ac.uk/fawei/
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> *From:*sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:
> sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] *On Behalf Of *Fawei Geng
> *Sent:* 03 September 2014 12:37
> *To:* sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
> *Subject:* [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page Order:
> disable a tool
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I notice that Sakai 10 has a new feature in the Page Order tool: disable a
> tool (the padlock icon - see attached screenshot).  Anyone knows the
> purpose of having this new feature?   Doesn’t the hide a tool feature
> (light bulb) have more or less the same functionality?  Would anyone like
> to share their experience of using this new feature?
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> Fawei
>
>
>
>
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