[Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page Order: disable a tool

Fri Sep 5 09:10:51 PDT 2014

I concur with Louis about the functionality of these Page Order icons - 
I hope no one is thinking of changing how these work or eliminating any 
of them.

Trisha

On 9/5/14 11:54 AM, Algaze, Louis Contractor, eDataTech wrote:
> To the best of my knowledge:
>
> Light bulb off -- turns off left navigation for students
> Locked - turns off left navigation and disables access for students
> Red X or remove tool via edit tools -- no access to tool by students 
> or instructors
>
> In your testing below I think you discovered an issue with the "View 
> Site As" option, in that it allows you to see what the other role sees 
> but it does not really change your permissions.  Try the same test 
> truly logged in with a student account.
>
> Louis Algaze
>
> From: Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk 
> <mailto:adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>>
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2014 at 8:41 AM
> To: Fawei Geng <fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk 
> <mailto:fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk>>, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com 
> <mailto:matthew at longsight.com>>, Bryan Holladay 
> <holladay at longsight.com <mailto:holladay at longsight.com>>
> Cc: Sakai Server <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> <mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page 
> Order: disable a tool
>
> So what exactly is the difference between the padlock and light bulb then?
>
> adam
>
> --
>
> ** Note change of email address to adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk 
> <mailto:adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk> **
>
> Dr A C Marshall, WebLearn Service Manager, University of Oxford.
>
> IT Services, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford. OX2 6NN.
>
> *From:*sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> <mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org> 
> [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Fawei Geng
> *Sent:* 05 September 2014 16:31
> *To:* Matthew Jones; Bryan Holladay
> *Cc:* sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> <mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page 
> Order: disable a tool
>
> Dear Mathew and Bryan,
>
> Thanks for your Reponses.   Now I have tested both Assignments and 
> Forums tools as Bryan suggested.
>
> ·Link the frame URLs of Assignment and Forums on hompage
>
> ·Padlock tool hid the tool from the left hand side, but it did not 
> prevent an "Access" user from viewing the tools (e.g. replying to the 
> messages in a discussion forum)  via the link on the homepage.
>
> Thanks
>
> Fawei
>
> *From:*Matthew Jones [mailto:matthew at longsight.com]
> *Sent:* 03 September 2014 19:16
> *To:* Bryan Holladay
> *Cc:* Fawei Geng; sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> <mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page 
> Order: disable a tool
>
> Agree about resources,
>
> You can still see the resources and files from where? From a link on 
> the portal or somewhere else? The lightbulb (hide) button buttons only 
> prevents access to the tool from the portal level. It doesn't actually 
> block anything on the tool level or put up any new security 
> restrictions on files. The disable button locks down the tool further 
> (removes site.upd) which removes it from more places, but still 
> doesn't prevent access to files if you know the URL and the user has 
> access.
>
> In Sakai 10, you can actually make folder Hidden, which allow access 
> to the contents but prevent seeing the actual folders. You can make 
> folders/files completely private/inaccessible or restrict access only 
> to certain groups through permissions at the directory level.
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com 
> <mailto:holladay at longsight.com>> wrote:
>
> Resources may be a bad example to test with. I know that it has it's 
> own settings when it comes to public and private data. Do you see this 
> same behavior with other tools like forums, assignments, etc?
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Fawei Geng <fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk 
> <mailto:fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> Many thanks Bryan for your swift response.  To provide a bit 
> background information, it is worth saying that we use "Project' site 
> at Oxford with "Access" and "Maintain" roles.
>
> For the lightbulb, I thought it always works as 'hidden' feature ( was 
> not aware that it also disables the tool).  For example, we often hide 
> the 'Resources' tool from the left hand side and link the relevant 
> files/folders using the "Web content" tool which presents a neater 
> view of the files.   If the purpose of padlock is to hide and disable 
> a tool,  is this equivalent to removing the tool via Site Info> Edit 
> tools?
>
> I am also a bit confused by the term 'disable' here after my 
> experiment (see below).  Although I disabled the Resources tool, the 
> student can still see the files.
>
> This is how I tried:
>
> Step 1.
>
> ·Go to the top-level folder in Resources where contains a number of 
> files and folders
>
> ·Click "Actions" next to the folder and select "Make Web Content Link" 
> to link Resources files/folder from the left hand side of the page
>
> Step 2:
>
> Tested the padlock:
>
> ·Go to Site Info > Page order > Padlock tool to disable Resources
>
> ·Log into the site as a 'Access' role and click on the Web Content 
> link, I still can see the Resources files/folders
>
> ·
>
> Step 3:
>
> Tested the removing tool from the site:
>
> ·Undo what I did in Step 2 to put the tool back to its original status
>
> ·Go to Site Info > Edit tools> untick "Resources" from the left hand side
>
> ·Log into the site as a 'Access' role and click on the Web Content 
> link, again I can see the Resources files/folders
>
> To sum up, it seems that the padlock feature is the same as 'removing 
> tool" via Site Info> Edit Tool.   Both methods do not really 'disable' 
> the tool.
>
> Any comments are very welcome.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Fawei
>
> *From:*Bryan Holladay [mailto:holladay at longsight.com 
> <mailto:holladay at longsight.com>]
> *Sent:* 03 September 2014 13:44
> *To:* Fawei Geng
> *Cc:* sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> <mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page 
> Order: disable a tool
>
> They have two distinct functionalities. The lightbulb is used to hide 
> the tool, but allows users to still access it. This was introduced for 
> Lessons where, for example, an instructor would want to use the forums 
> tool inside the lessons tool but not have the forums tool show up on 
> the left hand menu. The padlock replaced the old lightbulb's 
> functionality where it hides and disables the tool for users.
>
> -Bryan
>
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Fawei Geng <fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk 
> <mailto:fawei.geng at it.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> Here is the screenshot.
>
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>
> Learning Technology Support Officer
> IT Services, University of Oxford
>
> 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN
>
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> *From:*sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> <mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org> 
> [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> <mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org>] *On Behalf Of 
> *Fawei Geng
> *Sent:* 03 September 2014 12:37
> *To:* sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> <mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> *Subject:* [Using Sakai] Sakai 10 new feature : Site info > Page 
> Order: disable a tool
>
> Dear all,
>
> I notice that Sakai 10 has a new feature in the Page Order tool: 
> disable a tool (the padlock icon - see attached screenshot).  Anyone 
> knows the purpose of having this new feature?   Doesn't the hide a 
> tool feature (light bulb) have more or less the same functionality?  
> Would anyone like to share their experience of using this new feature?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Fawei
>
>
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