[Using Sakai] Multiple Group-Only access to forums

Fri Sep 13 09:57:07 PDT 2013

The ability to move threads to different topics will be part of the next
release in Sakai.  Since you are a developer, you may be able to backport
this fix into you current msgcntr code:

https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/MSGCNTR-241

Otherwise, it's not possible.

Bryan

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:

> HI Bryan,
>
>    I already discussion going for this week. I presume there's no way to
> get the horses back in the barn even though the door is already.  That is,
> since I didn't duplicate all the topics for this week, I am guessing theree
> is no way to get Sakai to move current topic replies based upon the group
> the poster is in into group-specific topics if I define them, is there?
> Thanks.
>
> Digression:
>    Although I wish I were full-time faculty, I'm only a full-time
> programmer for my school, and an adjunct professor.  So I tend to look at
> these things from a software developer perspective. It would really be
> helpful if Sakai made this easier.  It can't be that hard, as several other
> LMSs do it, and Moodle's approach is even open-source, so ti could be
> studied easily as a model, but I digress.
>
> Ken
>
> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
> Azusa Pacific University
> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
> Azusa, CA 91702
> 626-815-6000 x3148
> klitwak at apu.edu
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>wrote:
>
>> > 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover all these forums?
>>
>> You don't need 36 gradebook items.  You can create multiple topics and
>> point them to a single GB item.  The connection between Forums and
>> Gradebook is a loose connection.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>
>>>    My school is on this version:  Sakai - 2.9.1.6 - Sakai 2.9.1 (Kernel
>>> 1.3.1)-
>>>
>>> I had already seen what you are talking about and did it partially.
>>> That is, I have three groups, and made most people, including "Student,"
>>> "None," and each group "Contributor."
>>>
>>>      However, it sounds like for this week I needed to create three
>>> totally separate forums so that each group could have its own forum where
>>> the group is the only thing that is "contributor."
>>>
>>>   If so, I have twelve weeks of threaded discussions students will be
>>> doing, and that means, what, 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover all
>>> these forums?  That sounds like a nightmare for computing final grades.  I
>>> always use points for everything and since I've not ever found a way to
>>> make Sakai add up points to give me a total, I have to export the gradebook
>>> to Excel and do it myself.  Having 36 instead of twelve assignments to
>>> process, is going to be really hard to manage, especially if I need to
>>> track who is really missing a score versus who posted in a different forum
>>> that week.  Do you have any suggestions for managing, preferably avoiding,
>>> this?  It seems like a very large headache to manage to me when this is so
>>> easy to do, relatively speaking, in other tools.  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>>> Azusa Pacific University
>>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>>> Azusa, CA 91702
>>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>>> klitwak at apu.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can create forums and topics that are specifically for a single
>>>> group in Sakai.  As of 2.9.0+, there is a simpler way to achieve this
>>>> through the UI [1], but if you are running an older version, you can still
>>>> set it up manually.  All you have to do is go to the settings page for the
>>>> forum or topic you want to lock down to a single group and select "None"
>>>> for everyone's permission.  Then just find the group you want and set only
>>>> that group's permission to "Contributor".  You probably don't want to
>>>> remove the instructor permissions.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/MSGCNTR-231
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>> Which version of Sakai are you on?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't know, you should probably be able to find it by looking
>>>>> at the bottom of your Web page. I'm reasonably sure that this feature works
>>>>> in both Sakai 2.8 and 2.9, but the user interface to configure is slightly
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Neal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Neal Caidin
>>>>> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
>>>>> neal.caidin at apereo.org
>>>>> Skype: nealkdin
>>>>> Twitter: ncaidin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   In multiple learning management systems I have used before, such as
>>>>> Blackboard, FIrstClass, and Moodle, I've been able to divide students into
>>>>> groups and then have them respond to discussion forums by groups.  That
>>>>> is,when a student goes to a discussion forum,
>>>>> She posts such that only her group members can see her posts
>>>>> She can only see posts by her group members.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not want to have weekly discussions that all students participate
>>>>> in as one big group. It makes discussions too hard to follow, manage, or
>>>>> grade.
>>>>>
>>>>>   The online help shows how to make groups and I have made the groups
>>>>> contributors to the forums but I see no evidence that the three groups that
>>>>> I have defined are being separated. How can I accomplish this?  I need to
>>>>> know right away, so I'd appreciate guidance as soon as possible please.
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>>>>> Azusa Pacific University
>>>>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>>>>> Azusa, CA 91702
>>>>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>>>>> klitwak at apu.edu
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