[Using Sakai] Multiple Group-Only access to forums

Fri Sep 13 09:17:00 PDT 2013

HI Bryan,

   I already discussion going for this week. I presume there's no way to
get the horses back in the barn even though the door is already.  That is,
since I didn't duplicate all the topics for this week, I am guessing theree
is no way to get Sakai to move current topic replies based upon the group
the poster is in into group-specific topics if I define them, is there?
Thanks.

Digression:
   Although I wish I were full-time faculty, I'm only a full-time
programmer for my school, and an adjunct professor.  So I tend to look at
these things from a software developer perspective. It would really be
helpful if Sakai made this easier.  It can't be that hard, as several other
LMSs do it, and Moodle's approach is even open-source, so ti could be
studied easily as a model, but I digress.

Ken

Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
Azusa Pacific University
680 E. Alosta Ave.
Azusa, CA 91702
626-815-6000 x3148
klitwak at apu.edu

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>wrote:

> > 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover all these forums?
>
> You don't need 36 gradebook items.  You can create multiple topics and
> point them to a single GB item.  The connection between Forums and
> Gradebook is a loose connection.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bryan,
>>
>>    My school is on this version:  Sakai - 2.9.1.6 - Sakai 2.9.1 (Kernel
>> 1.3.1)-
>>
>> I had already seen what you are talking about and did it partially.  That
>> is, I have three groups, and made most people, including "Student," "None,"
>> and each group "Contributor."
>>
>>      However, it sounds like for this week I needed to create three
>> totally separate forums so that each group could have its own forum where
>> the group is the only thing that is "contributor."
>>
>>   If so, I have twelve weeks of threaded discussions students will be
>> doing, and that means, what, 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover all
>> these forums?  That sounds like a nightmare for computing final grades.  I
>> always use points for everything and since I've not ever found a way to
>> make Sakai add up points to give me a total, I have to export the gradebook
>> to Excel and do it myself.  Having 36 instead of twelve assignments to
>> process, is going to be really hard to manage, especially if I need to
>> track who is really missing a score versus who posted in a different forum
>> that week.  Do you have any suggestions for managing, preferably avoiding,
>> this?  It seems like a very large headache to manage to me when this is so
>> easy to do, relatively speaking, in other tools.  Thanks.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>> Azusa Pacific University
>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>> Azusa, CA 91702
>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>> klitwak at apu.edu
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>wrote:
>>
>>> You can create forums and topics that are specifically for a single
>>> group in Sakai.  As of 2.9.0+, there is a simpler way to achieve this
>>> through the UI [1], but if you are running an older version, you can still
>>> set it up manually.  All you have to do is go to the settings page for the
>>> forum or topic you want to lock down to a single group and select "None"
>>> for everyone's permission.  Then just find the group you want and set only
>>> that group's permission to "Contributor".  You probably don't want to
>>> remove the instructor permissions.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/MSGCNTR-231
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>
>>>> Which version of Sakai are you on?
>>>>
>>>> If you don't know, you should probably be able to find it by looking at
>>>> the bottom of your Web page. I'm reasonably sure that this feature works in
>>>> both Sakai 2.8 and 2.9, but the user interface to configure is slightly
>>>> different.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Neal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neal Caidin
>>>> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
>>>> neal.caidin at apereo.org
>>>> Skype: nealkdin
>>>> Twitter: ncaidin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   In multiple learning management systems I have used before, such as
>>>> Blackboard, FIrstClass, and Moodle, I've been able to divide students into
>>>> groups and then have them respond to discussion forums by groups.  That
>>>> is,when a student goes to a discussion forum,
>>>> She posts such that only her group members can see her posts
>>>> She can only see posts by her group members.
>>>>
>>>> I do not want to have weekly discussions that all students participate
>>>> in as one big group. It makes discussions too hard to follow, manage, or
>>>> grade.
>>>>
>>>>   The online help shows how to make groups and I have made the groups
>>>> contributors to the forums but I see no evidence that the three groups that
>>>> I have defined are being separated. How can I accomplish this?  I need to
>>>> know right away, so I'd appreciate guidance as soon as possible please.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>>>> Azusa Pacific University
>>>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>>>> Azusa, CA 91702
>>>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>>>> klitwak at apu.edu
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