[Using Sakai] Multiple Group-Only access to forums

Fri Sep 13 10:05:40 PDT 2013

Hi Bryan,

  Thanks for the information.

Ken

Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
Azusa Pacific University
680 E. Alosta Ave.
Azusa, CA 91702
626-815-6000 x3148
klitwak at apu.edu

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>wrote:

> The ability to move threads to different topics will be part of the next
> release in Sakai.  Since you are a developer, you may be able to backport
> this fix into you current msgcntr code:
>
> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/MSGCNTR-241
>
> Otherwise, it's not possible.
>
> Bryan
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:
>
>> HI Bryan,
>>
>>    I already discussion going for this week. I presume there's no way to
>> get the horses back in the barn even though the door is already.  That is,
>> since I didn't duplicate all the topics for this week, I am guessing theree
>> is no way to get Sakai to move current topic replies based upon the group
>> the poster is in into group-specific topics if I define them, is there?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Digression:
>>    Although I wish I were full-time faculty, I'm only a full-time
>> programmer for my school, and an adjunct professor.  So I tend to look at
>> these things from a software developer perspective. It would really be
>> helpful if Sakai made this easier.  It can't be that hard, as several other
>> LMSs do it, and Moodle's approach is even open-source, so ti could be
>> studied easily as a model, but I digress.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>> Azusa Pacific University
>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>> Azusa, CA 91702
>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>> klitwak at apu.edu
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>wrote:
>>
>>> > 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover all these forums?
>>>
>>> You don't need 36 gradebook items.  You can create multiple topics and
>>> point them to a single GB item.  The connection between Forums and
>>> Gradebook is a loose connection.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>>
>>>>    My school is on this version:  Sakai - 2.9.1.6 - Sakai 2.9.1 (Kernel
>>>> 1.3.1)-
>>>>
>>>> I had already seen what you are talking about and did it partially.
>>>> That is, I have three groups, and made most people, including "Student,"
>>>> "None," and each group "Contributor."
>>>>
>>>>      However, it sounds like for this week I needed to create three
>>>> totally separate forums so that each group could have its own forum where
>>>> the group is the only thing that is "contributor."
>>>>
>>>>   If so, I have twelve weeks of threaded discussions students will be
>>>> doing, and that means, what, 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover all
>>>> these forums?  That sounds like a nightmare for computing final grades.  I
>>>> always use points for everything and since I've not ever found a way to
>>>> make Sakai add up points to give me a total, I have to export the gradebook
>>>> to Excel and do it myself.  Having 36 instead of twelve assignments to
>>>> process, is going to be really hard to manage, especially if I need to
>>>> track who is really missing a score versus who posted in a different forum
>>>> that week.  Do you have any suggestions for managing, preferably avoiding,
>>>> this?  It seems like a very large headache to manage to me when this is so
>>>> easy to do, relatively speaking, in other tools.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>>>> Azusa Pacific University
>>>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>>>> Azusa, CA 91702
>>>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>>>> klitwak at apu.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can create forums and topics that are specifically for a single
>>>>> group in Sakai.  As of 2.9.0+, there is a simpler way to achieve this
>>>>> through the UI [1], but if you are running an older version, you can still
>>>>> set it up manually.  All you have to do is go to the settings page for the
>>>>> forum or topic you want to lock down to a single group and select "None"
>>>>> for everyone's permission.  Then just find the group you want and set only
>>>>> that group's permission to "Contributor".  You probably don't want to
>>>>> remove the instructor permissions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Bryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/MSGCNTR-231
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which version of Sakai are you on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't know, you should probably be able to find it by looking
>>>>>> at the bottom of your Web page. I'm reasonably sure that this feature works
>>>>>> in both Sakai 2.8 and 2.9, but the user interface to configure is slightly
>>>>>> different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Neal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neal Caidin
>>>>>> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
>>>>>> neal.caidin at apereo.org
>>>>>> Skype: nealkdin
>>>>>> Twitter: ncaidin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   In multiple learning management systems I have used before, such as
>>>>>> Blackboard, FIrstClass, and Moodle, I've been able to divide students into
>>>>>> groups and then have them respond to discussion forums by groups.  That
>>>>>> is,when a student goes to a discussion forum,
>>>>>> She posts such that only her group members can see her posts
>>>>>> She can only see posts by her group members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not want to have weekly discussions that all students
>>>>>> participate in as one big group. It makes discussions too hard to follow,
>>>>>> manage, or grade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   The online help shows how to make groups and I have made the groups
>>>>>> contributors to the forums but I see no evidence that the three groups that
>>>>>> I have defined are being separated. How can I accomplish this?  I need to
>>>>>> know right away, so I'd appreciate guidance as soon as possible please.
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>>>>>> Azusa Pacific University
>>>>>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>>>>>> Azusa, CA 91702
>>>>>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>>>>>> klitwak at apu.edu
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