[Using Sakai] Multiple Group-Only access to forums

[Bryan Holladay]

> 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover all these forums?

You don't need 36 gradebook items.  You can create multiple topics and
point them to a single GB item.  The connection between Forums and
Gradebook is a loose connection.


On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:

> Hi Bryan,
>
>    My school is on this version:  Sakai - 2.9.1.6 - Sakai 2.9.1 (Kernel
> 1.3.1)-
>
> I had already seen what you are talking about and did it partially.  That
> is, I have three groups, and made most people, including "Student," "None,"
> and each group "Contributor."
>
>      However, it sounds like for this week I needed to create three
> totally separate forums so that each group could have its own forum where
> the group is the only thing that is "contributor."
>
>   If so, I have twelve weeks of threaded discussions students will be
> doing, and that means, what, 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover all
> these forums?  That sounds like a nightmare for computing final grades.  I
> always use points for everything and since I've not ever found a way to
> make Sakai add up points to give me a total, I have to export the gradebook
> to Excel and do it myself.  Having 36 instead of twelve assignments to
> process, is going to be really hard to manage, especially if I need to
> track who is really missing a score versus who posted in a different forum
> that week.  Do you have any suggestions for managing, preferably avoiding,
> this?  It seems like a very large headache to manage to me when this is so
> easy to do, relatively speaking, in other tools.  Thanks.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
> Azusa Pacific University
> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
> Azusa, CA 91702
> 626-815-6000 x3148
> klitwak at apu.edu
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>wrote:
>
>> You can create forums and topics that are specifically for a single group
>> in Sakai.  As of 2.9.0+, there is a simpler way to achieve this through the
>> UI [1], but if you are running an older version, you can still set it up
>> manually.  All you have to do is go to the settings page for the forum or
>> topic you want to lock down to a single group and select "None" for
>> everyone's permission.  Then just find the group you want and set only that
>> group's permission to "Contributor".  You probably don't want to remove the
>> instructor permissions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>> [1] https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/MSGCNTR-231
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ken,
>>>
>>> Which version of Sakai are you on?
>>>
>>> If you don't know, you should probably be able to find it by looking at
>>> the bottom of your Web page. I'm reasonably sure that this feature works in
>>> both Sakai 2.8 and 2.9, but the user interface to configure is slightly
>>> different.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Neal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Neal Caidin
>>> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
>>> neal.caidin at apereo.org
>>> Skype: nealkdin
>>> Twitter: ncaidin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>   In multiple learning management systems I have used before, such as
>>> Blackboard, FIrstClass, and Moodle, I've been able to divide students into
>>> groups and then have them respond to discussion forums by groups.  That
>>> is,when a student goes to a discussion forum,
>>> She posts such that only her group members can see her posts
>>> She can only see posts by her group members.
>>>
>>> I do not want to have weekly discussions that all students participate
>>> in as one big group. It makes discussions too hard to follow, manage, or
>>> grade.
>>>
>>>   The online help shows how to make groups and I have made the groups
>>> contributors to the forums but I see no evidence that the three groups that
>>> I have defined are being separated. How can I accomplish this?  I need to
>>> know right away, so I'd appreciate guidance as soon as possible please.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>>> Azusa Pacific University
>>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>>> Azusa, CA 91702
>>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>>> klitwak at apu.edu
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