[samigo-team] Samigo-Schedule integration--due date to display by default?

Fri Aug 12 11:31:22 PDT 2011

Hi Roger,
I've heard back from Steve, who posted the original JIRA and he also said retract date wasn't really important. So yeah, maybe we ask to remove that checkbox next to the retract date. Seems like an easy thing to add back in if someone really wants it.

Regarding your suggestion of sending an announcement for the open/available date, I agree with you, but it's not a trivial change and outside the scope of this JIRA so I'll add it to a confluence page for suggestions (and a JIRA as Bryan suggests). We have the ability to send an announcement when the test is published; I recall asking when I was designing this if that note could be held until the available date actually arrived and was told there was a technical reason why this was either hard or impossible (don't remember if it was related to performance or the way this is built)

Since this can't be implemented for 2.9, would it be better to keep the option to add the available date to the Schedule or remove it so that the only date you can add is the Due date? Lynn seems to think it should be there (though I think this does need to be unchecked by default, do you agree Lynn?). 

Really, what we need is more like a synoptic to do list. I'm actually planning to write up a proposal to do just that and am willing to design it (it's our 4th priority, so not on the confluence page). We were going to do something like this for the OAE that could be used for all sorts of things--papers, readings, tests, polls, tasks but that's a long way out and it would be great if we could have something in the CLE in the interim.

Regarding both your suggestion and the synoptic to do list, I'm really happy we have this new community based team because we've been limited by resources to work on good ideas. Perhaps we can get both ideas going this year. 

Keli Amann
User Experience Specialist
Academic Computing Services, Stanford University

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Holladay" <holladay at longsight.com>
To: "Lynn E. Ward" <leward at iupui.edu>
Cc: "Roger James Henry" <rjhenry at indiana.edu>, "Keli Amann" <kamann at stanford.edu>, samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:09:48 AM
Subject: Re: [samigo-team] Samigo-Schedule integration--due date to display by default?

We should break this into two jira features: schedule (SAM-1121) and a new one for announcements. 

-Bryan 

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Ward, Lynn E. < leward at iupui.edu > wrote: 

One of the challenges that I ran into with my online class a couple of 
years ago was the fact that students forgot where to look to find out when 
a test or quiz was scheduled to open. Our legacy tool, like T&Q does not 
show the title or link until the test is actually available, which can be 
a problem in some situations. So, I actually like the idea of being able 
to add the Available Date to the calendar (as long is it actually shows up 
immediately). That wouldn't necessarily preclude the option of posting an 
announcement at the time the assessment actually does open (which is how 
the feature is handled in A2), but having the info in the calendar 
beforehand could be very useful to students, especially in cases where the 
testing window is relatively brief. 

In the longer term, it would be nice to have an option to display title 
and schedule info to students for tests that open in the future in T&Q 
itself. 

========================== 

Lynn Ward, Principal Systems Analyst, Academic and Faculty Services 
University Information Technology Services < http://uits.iu.edu/ > 
Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis 
Information Technology and Communications Complex (IT 225D) 
535 West Michigan Street, Indianapolis, IN 46202 
Phone: 317-278-5713 E-mail: leward at iupui.edu 

On 8/12/11 1:28 PM, "Henry, Roger James" < rjhenry at indiana.edu > wrote: 

Hi all, 

I'm wondering if we need to offer the option for the Available Date to 
show in the schedule/calendar. I would think not, and I would recommend 
changing the design. 

Looking at Assignments as a template (and thus to maintain consistency 
across the tools): it allows the option of pushing the Open Date 
(analogous to the 'Available date' in Samigo) to *Announcements*, not the 
calendar. This makes better sense to me. If the thing isn't actually *due* 
we should not clutter the calendar, but it's good for an announcement to 
be posted when the assessment becomes available. 

I would agree that (with the Available Date pushing to Announcements and 
Due Date pushing to Schedule/Calendar) it's a good option to have these 
settings *checked* by default. 

So, my design recommendation, based upon this discussion, would be: 
a) Build the option for the Available Date to be pushed as an announcement 
- when this date arrives, an announcement goes to the site members, as it 
does with the Assignments tool. 
b) Keep the option for the Due date to be pushed to the Schedule/Calendar. 
c) Drop the option to post the retract date to the Schedule/Calendar. 

Best, 
Roger 
=============================================== 
Roger J. Henry 
Instructional Technologies Consultant 
Center for Innovative Teaching and Learning 
Office of the Vice Provost for Undergraduate Education / 
University Information Technology Services 
Indiana University Bloomington 
Phone (812) 856-2617 
=============================================== 

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[mailto: samigo-team-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org ] On Behalf Of Keli 
Sato Amann 
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:04 PM 
To: Ward, Lynn E. 
Cc: samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org 
Subject: Re: [samigo-team] Samigo-Schedule integration--due date to 
display by default? 

Hi Lynn, 
Re 2, yeah, which is why I wouldn't want retract date display option 
checked by default, but Steve, the original requestor asked for it. I'll 
ask Steve more about why he felt it was important--I know it's not even an 
option in Assignments. 
Re 3, I have a question out to Bryan @Longsight about that (along with 
about a dozen other questions I won't bring up on this thread). I asked if 
the student had their schedule tool on, but the course didn't, would the 
student see it in My Workspace? If so, I think it may still be a good idea 
to have the option there. 

Keli 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lynn E. Ward" < leward at iupui.edu > 
To: "Keli Amann" < kamann at stanford.edu >, samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:01:36 PM 
Subject: Re: Samigo-Schedule integration--due date to display by default? 

A few comments/questions: 

1. I agree with Keli that checked is probably a better default than 
unchecked for the Available and Due dates, even though it doesn't follow 
the pattern of the Assignments tool. 

2. The Retract Date is not visible to the student within Tests & Quizzes 
tool itself. Seems a little odd to expose it to students in the Calendar 
by default if we don't also show the date in the tool UI. Also, the 
Retract date is used for things other than scheduling test delivery (I.e., 
to rescind a published assessment). So, perhaps the option o add the 
Retract Date should start out unchecked or be omitted entirely. 

3. Will these options display if the Calendar/Schedule tool has not been 
added to the menubar of the site? In Assignments and Assignments 2, I 
believe they only show up if Calendar/Schedule is active, and I hiding the 
options when makes sense when the Calendar is also hidden. 

========================== 

Lynn Ward, Principal Systems Analyst, Academic and Faculty Services 
University Information Technology Services < http://uits.iu.edu/ > Indiana 
University-Purdue University Indianapolis Information Technology and 
Communications Complex (IT 225D) 
535 West Michigan Street, Indianapolis, IN 46202 
Phone: 317-278-5713 E-mail: leward at iupui.edu 

On 8/11/11 2:37 PM, "Keli Sato Amann" < kamann at stanford.edu > wrote: 

Hello to the new community Samigo team, 
I'm reviewing Longsight's welcome contribution of a schedule integration 
( https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAM-1121 ). In short, the settings 
for available, due, and retract dates will have checkboxes that allow 
these dates to appear in the Schedule. 

I'm making suggestions to the developer in the hopes that they might be 
implemented before 2.9. My question to you all is whether the due date 
checkbox should be checked by default. It seems that if one were to bother 
to set a due date for a quiz or test, that this would naturally be 
something one would want on the calendar now that the integration is 
available, so why not save them the click? I can't think of even an edge 
case as to why this shouldn't be displayed (and if there were an edge 
case, they could certainly uncheck it). 

The only thing that gives me pause is that Assignments does require an 
active click on a checkbox to add an assignment to the calendar. However, 
I think that because Assignments also includes everyday readings, and you 
might not want to clutter the Calendar with things like that, just major 
graded assignments that have to be turned in. 

The answer is pretty clear to me but since we have this list now, what do 
people think? Am I overlooking something, either from a user perspective 
or a performance perspective, that would lead us to require user to 
opt-in, rather than opt-out? Please respond by Monday. 

Thanks, 
Keli Amann 
User Experience Specialist 
Academic Computing Services, Stanford University 

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