[samigo-team] Samigo-Schedule integration--due date to display by default?

Fri Aug 12 11:09:48 PDT 2011

We should break this into two jira features: schedule (SAM-1121) and a new
one for announcements.

-Bryan

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Ward, Lynn E. <leward at iupui.edu> wrote:

> One of the challenges that I ran into with my online class a couple of
> years ago was the fact that students forgot where to look to find out when
> a test or quiz was scheduled to open. Our legacy tool, like T&Q does not
> show the title or link until the test is actually available, which can be
> a problem in some situations.  So, I actually like the idea of being able
> to add the Available Date to the calendar (as long is it actually shows up
> immediately). That wouldn't necessarily preclude the option of posting an
> announcement at the time the assessment actually does open (which is how
> the feature is handled in A2), but having the info in the calendar
> beforehand could be very useful to students, especially in cases where the
> testing window is relatively brief.
>
>
> In the longer term, it would be nice to have an option to display title
> and schedule info to students for tests that open in the future in T&Q
> itself.
>
>
>
> ==========================
>
> Lynn Ward, Principal Systems Analyst, Academic and Faculty Services
> University Information Technology Services <http://uits.iu.edu/>
> Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis
> Information Technology and Communications Complex (IT 225D)
> 535 West Michigan Street, Indianapolis, IN 46202
> Phone: 317-278-5713  E-mail: leward at iupui.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/12/11 1:28 PM, "Henry, Roger James" <rjhenry at indiana.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm wondering if we need to offer the option for the Available Date to
> show in the schedule/calendar. I would think not, and I would recommend
> changing the design.
>
> Looking at Assignments as a template (and thus to maintain consistency
> across the tools): it allows the option of pushing the Open Date
> (analogous to the 'Available date' in Samigo) to *Announcements*, not the
> calendar. This makes better sense to me. If the thing isn't actually *due*
> we should not clutter the calendar, but it's good for an announcement to
> be posted when the assessment becomes available.
>
> I would agree that (with the Available Date pushing to Announcements and
> Due Date pushing to Schedule/Calendar) it's a good option to have these
> settings *checked* by default.
>
> So, my design recommendation, based upon this discussion, would be:
> a) Build the option for the Available Date to be pushed as an announcement
> - when this date arrives, an announcement goes to the site members, as it
> does with the Assignments tool.
> b) Keep the option for the Due date to be pushed to the Schedule/Calendar.
> c) Drop the option to post the retract date to the Schedule/Calendar.
>
> Best,
> Roger
> ===============================================
> Roger J. Henry
> Instructional Technologies Consultant
> Center for Innovative Teaching and Learning
> Office of the Vice Provost for Undergraduate Education /
> University Information Technology Services
> Indiana University Bloomington
> Phone (812) 856-2617
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: samigo-team-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
> [mailto:samigo-team-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Keli
> Sato Amann
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:04 PM
> To: Ward, Lynn E.
> Cc: samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] Samigo-Schedule integration--due date to
> display by default?
>
> Hi Lynn,
> Re 2, yeah, which is why I wouldn't want retract date display option
> checked by default, but Steve, the original requestor asked for it. I'll
> ask Steve more about why he felt it was important--I know it's not even an
> option in Assignments.
> Re 3, I have a question out to Bryan @Longsight about that (along with
> about a dozen other questions I won't bring up on this thread). I asked if
> the student had their schedule tool on, but the course didn't, would the
> student see it in My Workspace? If so, I think it may still be a good idea
> to have the option there.
>
> Keli
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lynn E. Ward" <leward at iupui.edu>
> To: "Keli Amann" <kamann at stanford.edu>,
> samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:01:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Samigo-Schedule integration--due date to display by default?
>
> A few comments/questions:
>
> 1. I agree with Keli that checked is probably a better default than
> unchecked for the Available and Due dates, even though it doesn't follow
> the pattern of the Assignments tool.
>
> 2. The Retract Date is not visible to the student within Tests & Quizzes
> tool itself.  Seems a little odd to expose it to students in the Calendar
> by default if we don't also show the date in the tool UI.  Also, the
> Retract date is used for things other than scheduling test delivery (I.e.,
> to rescind a published assessment).  So, perhaps the option o add the
> Retract Date should start out unchecked or be omitted entirely.
>
> 3. Will these options display if the Calendar/Schedule tool has not been
> added to the menubar of the site?  In Assignments and Assignments 2, I
> believe they only show up if Calendar/Schedule is active, and I hiding the
> options when makes sense when the Calendar is also hidden.
>
>
>
>
>
> ==========================
>
> Lynn Ward, Principal Systems Analyst, Academic and Faculty Services
> University Information Technology Services <http://uits.iu.edu/> Indiana
> University-Purdue University Indianapolis Information Technology and
> Communications Complex (IT 225D)
> 535 West Michigan Street, Indianapolis, IN 46202
> Phone: 317-278-5713  E-mail: leward at iupui.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 8/11/11 2:37 PM, "Keli Sato Amann" <kamann at stanford.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello to the new community Samigo team,
> I'm reviewing Longsight's welcome contribution of a schedule integration
> (https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAM-1121). In short, the settings
> for available, due, and retract dates will have checkboxes that allow
> these dates to appear in the Schedule.
>
> I'm making suggestions to the developer in the hopes that they might be
> implemented before 2.9. My question to you all is whether the due date
> checkbox should be checked by default. It seems that if one were to bother
> to set a due date for a quiz or test, that this would naturally be
> something one would want on the calendar now that the integration is
> available, so why not save them the click? I can't think of even an edge
> case as to why this shouldn't be displayed (and if there were an edge
> case, they could certainly uncheck it).
>
> The only thing that gives me pause is that Assignments does require an
> active click on a checkbox to add an assignment to the calendar. However,
> I think that because Assignments also includes everyday readings, and you
> might not want to clutter the Calendar with things like that, just major
> graded assignments that have to be turned in.
>
> The answer is pretty clear to me but since we have this list now, what do
> people think? Am I overlooking something, either from a user perspective
> or a performance perspective, that would lead us to require user to
> opt-in, rather than opt-out? Please respond by Monday.
>
> Thanks,
> Keli Amann
> User Experience Specialist
> Academic Computing Services, Stanford University
>
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