[sakai2-tcc] Planning for Sakai 2.10 and beyond

[Steve Swinsburg]

I really dont understand why you are so averse to management within this
project. Yes, the Product Council was a management group, and yes it wasn't
great. But that does not mean all management structures are failures. So
lets learn from that and do it right. Lets not allow non contributing
statekholders to be part of it and ensure the right people are on the group.

The TCC was setup as a purely technical group. If its going to be the CLE
Coordination group then drop the T.
https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/TCC/Formation+Announcement

I have complete confidence that the TCC, this group, can undertake the kind
of consultation and planning that is required. However we need others to
inform that process, like students and teachers and the community. In the
end though, it is management whatever way you look at it, even if you want
to keep it within the TCC.

Also, no need to get personal. I raised an issue which I feel is important
for this project to survive, a matter informed by recent events,
discussions and reflections. If the cancellation of two regional Sakai
conferences and a bunch of major institutions dropping their involvement
isnt a wake up call to us all, I don't know what is.

thanks,
Steve


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:57 AM, Charles Severance <csev at umich.edu> wrote:

>
> On Sep 24, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Berg, Alan wrote:
>
> Not thinking in extremes of a large set of requirements, but rather
> shaping the TCC's relationship with the wider community.
>
>
> This I *completely* agree with.   I think that the TCC absolutely needs to
> expand its relationship with the Sakai community.
>
> I think that for the past two years, the TCC operated too far under the
> radar - because OAE was the "golden child" and everyone wanted to give the
> OAE its best chance of success.
>
> Now that it is clear that OAE will not deliver on its promise of a
> complete rewrite, it time for the TCC to re-emerge into the light of day
> and embrace its now broadened role.
>
> I think that this re-emergence and re-engagement will be beautiful and
> natural and wonderful and happen quickly.
>
> The only thing that might cause any problem is the notion (raised by
> Steve) that we need a governing body *above* the TCC to manage this
> re-engagement of the broader community.  I am not going to let that happen
> this time.  Lets not make the mistake of "we need a management body" for
> the 7th or 8th time.
>
> I fully expect that the non-contributing Sakai stakeholders will assert
> that they need to be on some sort of "guiding body" because they want to be
> in charge without investing resources like the Product Council.   What
> bothers me is when members of the TCC advocate for the creation of a
> Product Council-like body management body above us.   Sheesh.  Have we
> learned nothing?
>
> /Chuck
>
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