[sakai2-tcc] Revised individual Sakai CLA process

Matthew Jones matthew at longsight.com
Tue Jul 17 10:11:25 PDT 2012


That sounds reasonable. clickwrap and browse-wrap have generally been just
as enforceable. You just have to have some way of verifying that the user
actually did read (or minimally was given a chance to read) the entire
agreement and keep some record of that agreement being read and agreed to.
I think more of this would be someone doing the work to convert this to a
web based form somewhere with some administrative way of verifying consent
than determining if it would be legally enforceable. Maybe some type of
Drupal module (like form builder) on the main sakaiproject page. Not sure
if our webmaster contract would include this type of work?

https://scottandscottllp.com/main/Tips_to_Improve_the_Enforceability_of_Click_Wrap_License_Agreements.aspx

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Mark J. Norton
<markjnorton at earthlink.net>wrote:

>  One of these things I will exploring, in my capacity of License Steward
> for the Kuali Foundation, is the idea of "opt-in" licensing.  Similar to
> the way EULA notices are posted on some sites (MMO games, for example), the
> user is offered the opportunity to review the license, and then press Yes
> or No.  A yes indicates acceptance of the license.
>
> The general feeling is that if this works for Electronic Arts or Blizzard,
> it should work for Sakai, JASIG, Kuali, etc.  I have not run this by the
> lawyers yet, but I'll share the results here when I do.
>
> - Mark Norton
>
>
>
> On 7/17/2012 12:20 PM, Maurer, Christopher Wayne wrote:
>
> FYI,
> We've had people that had concerns about their digital signatures floating
> around out in email and wanted alternatives such as a secure
> upload/download option.  But perhaps fax/mail would have been satisfactory
> for them.
>
>  Chris
>
>   From: "Mark J. Norton" <markjnorton at earthlink.net>
> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:18 PM
> To: "sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org" <
> sakai2-tcc at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [sakai2-tcc] Revised individual Sakai CLA process
>
>   Interestingly, I went through this process for Sakai recently when it
> was discovered that I (somehow) had never signed an ICLA.  Anthony was
> still handling it at the time.  Fortunately, I am able to scan a signed
> document and mail it.
>
> - Mark Norton
>
> On 7/17/2012 11:58 AM, John Lewis wrote:
>
> FYI: Concentra accepts fax / snailmail ICLAs and CCLAs for Jasig at this
> point as part of its administrative support. They then scan those in and
> post the resulting PDFs into a private area in Jasig Confluence that is
> managed by the Jasig Licensing group. Since most are sent in via email as
> scanned docs, it's a pretty minimal load.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Seth Theriault <slt at columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not sure if anyone has tried to fill out a CLA recently (probably
>> nobody
>> > on here) but since the foundation has left it's permanent physical
>> presence
>> > at Michigan, Chris and I were skeptical if anyone was still checking the
>> > P.O. Box or FAX anymore that was mentioned on the CLA. And even if
>> Anthony
>> > (or someone else) was checking this box, the access to FAX machines has
>> > certainly dwindled.
>>
>> Electronic submission is certainly fine, but there may be folks out
>> there who are unable to give e-signatures or scan sign documents to
>> PDF.
>>
>> As I mentioned on a call earlier today, the Foundation's
>> administrative support is now handled by Concentra. I think they
>> should be able to accept CLAs and CCLAs that arrive by FAX and snail
>> mail for us (where are invoices sent?), but we need to ask Ian
>> Dolphin.
>>
>> Seth
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