[sakai2-tcc] Another Agenda Item - Re: TCC - CLE Community Coordinator, Thurs. Aug 23, 4 pm EDT, 8 pm GMT

[Matthew Jones]

All of those use cases you mentioned sound pretty awesome, but I'd say that
these are just feature requests on existing tools in Sakai.

The first sounds like an app that would be more specific to the campus.
 You could create a tool that links up to google maps, but by default,
Sakai just doesn't have that much metadata about the courses (what room
number, building address, even often the date/time that they're offered).
This either sounds like a separate tool or a large feature enhancement on
top of site management.

The second one sounds like adding html5 geo-location to profile2, something
that's currently supported in all mobile browsers and some desktop browsers
(though less of those have GPS). Though GPS is for sure less reliable
indoors, but it could be kinda cool like you said to know when your
contacts or classmates are nearby

You can add a mobile page from both browsers to your home screen, you can
set them to auto-login. I guess the only think you couldn't get yet are
push notifications, but Mozilla is already working on this, so Google will
for sure follow [2]. And that's not super useful until Dashboard is
included anyway?

[2]
http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/mozilla-developing-web-push-notification-system-for-firefox/

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:16 PM, John Bush <john.bush at rsmart.com> wrote:

> If the goal is simply to access sakai and do anything you can do with
> a normal browser I agree with Mat.  But if such a project was to
> actually use the capability of the phone in useful ways that a browser
> can't then I think its a different story.
>
> like look at my schedule and navigate me around campus, or even inside
> a building, or find people in my class that are near my in the student
> union, or whatever use cases like that.
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com>
> wrote:
> > I believe there are a lot of problems with getting good mobile
> development
> > going in Sakai. There was an phonegap app that seemed to have been
> created
> > from the Google Summer of Code last year with Steve as mentor (
> > https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/CLEMBL/Home ) but there's
> not a
> > whole lot of information or followup since last summer about it. Here are
> > the problems I can see.
> >
> > 1) In order to use any app, you'd essentially have to be on the newest
> > version of Sakai. Much less /direct feeds exist for tools in 2.7 and 2.8,
> > and probably many more would need to be developed for 2.10, so anyone
> really
> > not in 2.10 would get a less useful mobile app. Porting these back to old
> > versions has seemed to be pretty time consuming (I tried with the
> Assignment
> > feeds that are in 2.9 and gave up). All of the feeds are in the tools for
> > those feeds and they aren't very backward compatible.
> >
> > Sakai 2.10 is at *least* a year away, and likely 2 years until most
> places
> > are running it.
> >
> > 2) After something like this is developed, who is responsible for
> > maintaining it? Will it be like this GSoC, that's worked on for a few
> months
> > and everyone forgets about? Mobile development (even with phone gap) is
> > different from web development.
> >
> > 3) Tablets and phones are getting seriously better every year, and most
> > people don't keep a phone longer than 2 years. The Chrome browser
> available
> > on newer Android Tablets and iOS 4.3+ is essentially nearly as capable as
> > the one on a desktop. There's really no reason to use mobile view
> anymore on
> > these devices. (And nightly doesn't even detect it as a mobile browser)
>  In
> > 2 years will a special tablet app really even matter? Can't we just keep
> > improving neoportal and testing on tablet devices? Jakob Nielson agrees
> that
> > the strategy shift is coming soon [1] from apps to sites again (if it's
> not
> > already here) and I agree. At least it will happen before 2.10 is widely
> in
> > use. ;)
> >
> > 4) LTI Integration - I believe that a big part of the future of Sakai and
> > LMS will be integration with more external LTI apps. There are well over
> 50
> > sites now LTI enabled and more to come. These don't translate to a native
> > mobile experience but work great as a standard website. This will lower
> the
> > value of any native app.
> >
> > I'd basically like to see the positives for creating a standalone app
> over
> > doing testing and usability studies on the current sites on recent
> > tablets/smart phones. Of course anyone is free to work on what they want
> but
> > I wouldn't consider it a valuable use of time anymore, not as much as
> even a
> > few years ago.
> >
> > [1]  http://www.useit.com/alertbox/mobile-sites-apps.html
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Neal Caidin
> > <nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> * University of Florida wants to spearhead an effort on Mobile
> development
> >> for CLE. Seems like at least worth mentioning. Desired timeline is to
> have
> >> updates made to CLE by December.
> >>
> >> - Neal
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Neal Caidin <
> nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
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> >> Proposed Agenda
> >> ---------------------------------
> >> * I'll go through the checklist of items for the on boarding and give an
> >> update where I'm at
> >> * Can discuss progress on Jira and QA
> >> * Other?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Neal Caidin
> >>
> >> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
> >> nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org
> >> Skype: nealkdin
> >> AIM: ncaidin at aol.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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