[sakai2-tcc] Another Agenda Item - Re: TCC - CLE Community Coordinator, Thurs. Aug 23, 4 pm EDT, 8 pm GMT

Sat Aug 25 00:24:02 PDT 2012

FYI I've been working with UFL and a commercial entity on scoping the work required to add entity provider support to all tools, and evaluate/ enhance the existing providers. From there a native app may be developed by a commercial organisation.

Adding entity provider support to tools is a good thing, and enables integrations like these to happen. 

Cheers
Steve

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On 25/08/2012, at 3:27, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com> wrote:

> All of those use cases you mentioned sound pretty awesome, but I'd say that these are just feature requests on existing tools in Sakai.
> 
> The first sounds like an app that would be more specific to the campus.  You could create a tool that links up to google maps, but by default, Sakai just doesn't have that much metadata about the courses (what room number, building address, even often the date/time that they're offered). This either sounds like a separate tool or a large feature enhancement on top of site management.
> 
> The second one sounds like adding html5 geo-location to profile2, something that's currently supported in all mobile browsers and some desktop browsers (though less of those have GPS). Though GPS is for sure less reliable indoors, but it could be kinda cool like you said to know when your contacts or classmates are nearby 
> 
> You can add a mobile page from both browsers to your home screen, you can set them to auto-login. I guess the only think you couldn't get yet are push notifications, but Mozilla is already working on this, so Google will for sure follow [2]. And that's not super useful until Dashboard is included anyway?
> 
> [2] http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/mozilla-developing-web-push-notification-system-for-firefox/
> 
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:16 PM, John Bush <john.bush at rsmart.com> wrote:
> If the goal is simply to access sakai and do anything you can do with
> a normal browser I agree with Mat.  But if such a project was to
> actually use the capability of the phone in useful ways that a browser
> can't then I think its a different story.
> 
> like look at my schedule and navigate me around campus, or even inside
> a building, or find people in my class that are near my in the student
> union, or whatever use cases like that.
> 
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com> wrote:
> > I believe there are a lot of problems with getting good mobile development
> > going in Sakai. There was an phonegap app that seemed to have been created
> > from the Google Summer of Code last year with Steve as mentor (
> > https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/CLEMBL/Home ) but there's not a
> > whole lot of information or followup since last summer about it. Here are
> > the problems I can see.
> >
> > 1) In order to use any app, you'd essentially have to be on the newest
> > version of Sakai. Much less /direct feeds exist for tools in 2.7 and 2.8,
> > and probably many more would need to be developed for 2.10, so anyone really
> > not in 2.10 would get a less useful mobile app. Porting these back to old
> > versions has seemed to be pretty time consuming (I tried with the Assignment
> > feeds that are in 2.9 and gave up). All of the feeds are in the tools for
> > those feeds and they aren't very backward compatible.
> >
> > Sakai 2.10 is at *least* a year away, and likely 2 years until most places
> > are running it.
> >
> > 2) After something like this is developed, who is responsible for
> > maintaining it? Will it be like this GSoC, that's worked on for a few months
> > and everyone forgets about? Mobile development (even with phone gap) is
> > different from web development.
> >
> > 3) Tablets and phones are getting seriously better every year, and most
> > people don't keep a phone longer than 2 years. The Chrome browser available
> > on newer Android Tablets and iOS 4.3+ is essentially nearly as capable as
> > the one on a desktop. There's really no reason to use mobile view anymore on
> > these devices. (And nightly doesn't even detect it as a mobile browser)  In
> > 2 years will a special tablet app really even matter? Can't we just keep
> > improving neoportal and testing on tablet devices? Jakob Nielson agrees that
> > the strategy shift is coming soon [1] from apps to sites again (if it's not
> > already here) and I agree. At least it will happen before 2.10 is widely in
> > use. ;)
> >
> > 4) LTI Integration - I believe that a big part of the future of Sakai and
> > LMS will be integration with more external LTI apps. There are well over 50
> > sites now LTI enabled and more to come. These don't translate to a native
> > mobile experience but work great as a standard website. This will lower the
> > value of any native app.
> >
> > I'd basically like to see the positives for creating a standalone app over
> > doing testing and usability studies on the current sites on recent
> > tablets/smart phones. Of course anyone is free to work on what they want but
> > I wouldn't consider it a valuable use of time anymore, not as much as even a
> > few years ago.
> >
> > [1]  http://www.useit.com/alertbox/mobile-sites-apps.html
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Neal Caidin
> > <nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> * University of Florida wants to spearhead an effort on Mobile development
> >> for CLE. Seems like at least worth mentioning. Desired timeline is to have
> >> updates made to CLE by December.
> >>
> >> - Neal
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Neal Caidin <nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
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> >> Proposed Agenda
> >> ---------------------------------
> >> * I'll go through the checklist of items for the on boarding and give an
> >> update where I'm at
> >> * Can discuss progress on Jira and QA
> >> * Other?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Neal Caidin
> >>
> >> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
> >> nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org
> >> Skype: nealkdin
> >> AIM: ncaidin at aol.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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