[sakai2-tcc] Another Agenda Item - Re: TCC - CLE Community Coordinator, Thurs. Aug 23, 4 pm EDT, 8 pm GMT

[John Bush]

If the goal is simply to access sakai and do anything you can do with
a normal browser I agree with Mat.  But if such a project was to
actually use the capability of the phone in useful ways that a browser
can't then I think its a different story.

like look at my schedule and navigate me around campus, or even inside
a building, or find people in my class that are near my in the student
union, or whatever use cases like that.

On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com> wrote:
> I believe there are a lot of problems with getting good mobile development
> going in Sakai. There was an phonegap app that seemed to have been created
> from the Google Summer of Code last year with Steve as mentor (
> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/CLEMBL/Home ) but there's not a
> whole lot of information or followup since last summer about it. Here are
> the problems I can see.
>
> 1) In order to use any app, you'd essentially have to be on the newest
> version of Sakai. Much less /direct feeds exist for tools in 2.7 and 2.8,
> and probably many more would need to be developed for 2.10, so anyone really
> not in 2.10 would get a less useful mobile app. Porting these back to old
> versions has seemed to be pretty time consuming (I tried with the Assignment
> feeds that are in 2.9 and gave up). All of the feeds are in the tools for
> those feeds and they aren't very backward compatible.
>
> Sakai 2.10 is at *least* a year away, and likely 2 years until most places
> are running it.
>
> 2) After something like this is developed, who is responsible for
> maintaining it? Will it be like this GSoC, that's worked on for a few months
> and everyone forgets about? Mobile development (even with phone gap) is
> different from web development.
>
> 3) Tablets and phones are getting seriously better every year, and most
> people don't keep a phone longer than 2 years. The Chrome browser available
> on newer Android Tablets and iOS 4.3+ is essentially nearly as capable as
> the one on a desktop. There's really no reason to use mobile view anymore on
> these devices. (And nightly doesn't even detect it as a mobile browser)  In
> 2 years will a special tablet app really even matter? Can't we just keep
> improving neoportal and testing on tablet devices? Jakob Nielson agrees that
> the strategy shift is coming soon [1] from apps to sites again (if it's not
> already here) and I agree. At least it will happen before 2.10 is widely in
> use. ;)
>
> 4) LTI Integration - I believe that a big part of the future of Sakai and
> LMS will be integration with more external LTI apps. There are well over 50
> sites now LTI enabled and more to come. These don't translate to a native
> mobile experience but work great as a standard website. This will lower the
> value of any native app.
>
> I'd basically like to see the positives for creating a standalone app over
> doing testing and usability studies on the current sites on recent
> tablets/smart phones. Of course anyone is free to work on what they want but
> I wouldn't consider it a valuable use of time anymore, not as much as even a
> few years ago.
>
> [1]  http://www.useit.com/alertbox/mobile-sites-apps.html
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Neal Caidin
> <nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> * University of Florida wants to spearhead an effort on Mobile development
>> for CLE. Seems like at least worth mentioning. Desired timeline is to have
>> updates made to CLE by December.
>>
>> - Neal
>>
>>
>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Neal Caidin <nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
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>>
>> Proposed Agenda
>> ---------------------------------
>> * I'll go through the checklist of items for the on boarding and give an
>> update where I'm at
>> * Can discuss progress on Jira and QA
>> * Other?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Neal Caidin
>>
>> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
>> nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org
>> Skype: nealkdin
>> AIM: ncaidin at aol.com
>>
>>
>>
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