[Using Sakai] [DG: Teaching & Learning] Possible merge of Sakai-user and Pedagogy lists

Tue Jan 20 07:31:09 PST 2015

I'm not 100% on this, but maybe "sakai-user at apereo.org" is the best?

"Sakai-questions" also seems overly broad, and "sakai-user" has the
advantage of being familiar to existing Sakai community members. And
maybe this way, the distinction is simple and clear--a post concerns
the Sakai back end (dev) or the front end (user).

Best,
Jim

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org> wrote:
> So far, all positive responses to merging. Feel free to keep the comments
> coming.
>
> Assuming we move forward with the merge, we need a name choice. Sounds like
> there is a desire to move away from "pedagogy". The new list will be
> @apereo.org, so we will need to include sakai as part of the name. Some
> initial ideas
>
> sakai-user at apereo.org   (but just make sure it also includes the Teaching
> and Learning folks)
> sakai-teachlearn at apereo.org
> sakai-questions at apereo.org
>
> What do you think? Remember that the audience is broader than Teaching and
> Learning, though that is the most active part. Sakai user is broad enough,
> but is it too vague?  That's why I came up with sakai-questions.  If you are
> a techie, you will know, or soon learn, that sakai-dev is the place to be,
> so sakai-questions might make it clear that is the place to go with any
> general Sakai questions. On the other hand, that loses the Teaching and
> Learning flavor, which is definitely nice to highlight and our most likely
> way to recruit or attract more active community participation.
>
> I don't have the answers on this one. Nothing is jumping out at me as a
> clear favorite.
>
> Brainstorm?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Marilyn Dispensa <mdispensa at ithaca.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>> I’m in favor of merging the lists.    Good idea.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>> [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Josh Baron
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:53 PM
>> To: Laura Gekeler
>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org Server;
>> pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org; pedagogy-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] [DG: Teaching & Learning] Possible merge of
>> Sakai-user and Pedagogy lists
>>
>>
>>
>> Little history here...
>>
>> The pedagogy list dates back to the start of Sakai I believe (before I got
>> involved at least).  Over the years its use has ranged from mostly
>> administrative, planning calls, etc., to more strategic discussions around
>> teaching and learning issues.  I believe the Using Sakai list was created,
>> more recently, to give people a place to ask more functional questions about
>> how a tool works, etc.
>>
>> In terms of my thoughts...
>>
>> I think merging is best as I tend to end up posting to both all of the
>> time not knowing who is on one but not the other.  I would suggest that we
>> consider referring to this as the "teaching and learning list" or some
>> similar terms rather than pedagogy as over the years there have been
>> discussions around the term "pedagogy" being confusing to some in other
>> parts of the world where the term is not used much or because it can mean
>> different things to different people.  I think teaching and learning is
>> clearer (I actually think we tried to change the name at one point but hit a
>> technical issue and weren't able to do so).
>>
>> FYI, Josh
>>
>> -----------------------------
>> Joshua Baron
>> Senior Academic Technology Officer
>> Marist College
>> Poughkeepsie, New York  12601
>> (845) 575-3623 (work)
>> Twitter: JoshBaron
>>
>>
>>
>> From:        Laura Gekeler <lgekeler at nd.edu>
>> To:        "sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org Server"
>> <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>, "pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org"
>> <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>,
>> Date:        01/14/2015 02:46 PM
>> Subject:        Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] Possible merge of Sakai-user
>> and Pedagogy lists
>> Sent by:        pedagogy-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The question about Resources & Import from Site was from me, so I'll take
>> a stab at why I chose that list - my question wasn't directly related to
>> pedagogy but more of a "how is this supposed to work"  question. I'd be
>> relieved not to have to spend time thinking in depth about which group is
>> more likely to be interested in my question/comment/topic...
>>
>> I subscribe to both groups and would be in favor of merging them.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>> Laura Gekeler
>> LMS Professional //Concurrent Instructor
>> University of Notre Dame
>> P:574-631-2402
>>
>>
>> On 14 January 2015 at 13:14, Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org> wrote:
>> [to sakai-user and pedagogy]
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> We are in the process of a move from the current Collab email server to
>> using Apereo Google Groups. During the move I am wondering if it makes sense
>> to merge sakai-user and pedagogy into one list. Fewer lists means simpler to
>> pick the right list to which to post.
>>
>> Stats:
>>
>> # of subscribers to sakai-user : 694
>> # of subscribers to pedagogy : 500
>>
>> # of subscribers overlapping (exist in both sakai-user and pedagogy): 245
>>
>> It looks to me like the majority of posts to pedagogy are administrative.
>> Meeting announcements, webinar announcements, conference announcements are
>> common. Occasional question like "question about auto created groups when
>> using the Lessons tool and Forums".
>>
>> Sakai-user has more questions on it, I think. "Resources management &
>> Import from Site", Making it so that the word "Sakai" does not appear on any
>> onscreen test, "adding another wiki tool".  Etc. Still announcements there
>> too , but seems like more questions.
>>
>> Sakai-user archives - http://collab.sakaiproject.org/pipermail/sakai-user/
>> Pedagogy archives - http://collab.sakaiproject.org/pipermail/pedagogy/
>>
>> Please think about it and let me know what you think (feel free to copy
>> both lists. It could make it more of a conversation.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Neal
>>
>>
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