[Using Sakai] sakai-user Digest, Vol 55, Issue 26

Bryan Holladay holladay at longsight.com
Mon Sep 16 05:38:39 PDT 2013 

>   So, if I have a John Smith in class, I want to be able to see all of
John Smith's posts for the Week 2 forum, without seeing anyone else's
posts, so I can count the posts, look at the dates (because there are
deadlines), and assess the contents.  Is there a way to do this?

Yup.  Just go to "Statistics & Grading" then click the link on the top
right that says "Statistics & Grading by
Topi<https://sakai.northweststate.edu/portal/tool/be8d2f7e-906b-4473-ba4b-98b6380ff838/discussionForum/statistics/dfStatisticsList#>c",
then select the forum your want "Week 2".  This will give you an overview
of each students authored, read, unread stats as well as give you two
links: The students name; which will pop up all their posts, and "Details"
link; which will give you even more details and in context.

-Bryan


On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
>   Thanks for the info.  I have created topics for this week only.  I still
> have many weeks of forums to create, so I can use the approach you
> suggest.
>
>    Now, my typical approach is that within a forum I have two topics.
> Sometimes I expect students to do both questions and sometimes I give them
> a choice. The upshot of that is that I want to be able to assign points at
> the forum level per student.  Is it possible to do that?
>
>     Finally, especially this week without the truly separate group
> discussions, but every week I have discussions, I need to be able to see
> all the posts by student by forum.  This is because I require students to
> make an initial response to my question(s) and then at least two responses
> to their classmates' initial posts.
>
>    So, if I have a John Smith in class, I want to be able to see all of
> John Smith's posts for the Week 2 forum, without seeing anyone else's
> posts, so I can count the posts, look at the dates (because there are
> deadlines), and assess the contents.  Is there a way to do this?
>
>   Thanks for your help.
>
> Ken
>
> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
> Azusa Pacific University
> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
> Azusa, CA 91702
> 626-815-6000 x3148
> klitwak at apu.edu
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:25 PM, <
> sakai-user-request at collab.sakaiproject.org> wrote:
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>>    1. Re: Multiple Group-Only access to forums (Jim Mezzanotte)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 16:25:04 -0400
>> From: Jim Mezzanotte <jmezzanotte at anisakai.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Multiple Group-Only access to forums
>> To: "sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org"
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>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> You're using Sakai 2.9, so as Bryan mentioned, in this version there's a
>> much easier way to set up topics for particular groups. The system can
>> automatically create multiple instances of one topic for many groups.
>>
>> When you create a topic, you'll see a radio button for "Automatically
>> create multiple topics for groups." When you click on this button, you'll
>> see buttons for all groups/sections in your site.
>>
>> Select groups as appropriate and and then save/publish. On the Forums home
>> page, you'll then see multiple topics. Each topic label will have the
>> topic
>> name you entered on the "topic settings" page, and then an additional tag
>> with the name of the appropriate group.
>>
>> This approach saves you time in several ways. First, you can enter
>> information and settings for all these topics just once, on one "topic
>> settings" page. Second, the permissions that allow only members of a
>> particular group to view/participate in a topic are set for you
>> automatically.
>>
>> It sounds like this approach might be useful in the future but not now,
>> since you've already created all your topics. So in that case, the key
>> thing to remember for "group-only" permissions is that, for each forum or
>> topic that only one group can access, you must set permissions in two
>> ways:
>>
>> *For the group that will have access (set the appropriate permissions for
>> the capabilities you want these group members to have)
>>
>> *For the site role to which all group members belong. So for example, if
>> you've created a bunch of groups with users in the "Student" role, you
>> will
>> also need to set permissions for this role to "none")
>>
>> And of course, you should make sure that permissions are set to "none" for
>> other groups too, but this is the default permission for all groups when
>> you create a new forum or topic (unless you change the default).
>>
>> Lastly, as Bryan also noted, you don't necessarily have to create multiple
>> gradebook items. The Forums integration with Gradebook works by
>> "association"--that is, you first create an item in your gradebook, and
>> then you can associate a forum, topic, or even specific message with that
>> item. If you want, you can even change the association--your gradebook
>> will
>> show the last grade you saved in the Forums tool, no matter where that
>> was.
>> One approach you might take is to simply grade the forum to which all the
>> group-targeted topics belong.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jim Mezzanotte
>> Asahi Net International
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> >    1. Auto-grading of short-answer questions (Kenneth Litwak)
>> >    2. Re: Auto-grading of short-answer questions (Christine Doherty)
>> >    3. Re: Multiple Group-Only access to forums (Kenneth Litwak)
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu>
>> > To: sakai-user <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>> > Cc:
>> > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:06:01 -0700
>> > Subject: [Using Sakai] Auto-grading of short-answer questions
>> > I set up a quiz with some short answer questions.  In one simple case, I
>> > asked students for the last name of a particular author.  My model
>> answer
>> > was
>> > Gorman
>> >
>> > Almost all my students gave the answer
>> > Gorman
>> >
>> > Sakai scored every student's answer as wrong.  Is there some trick to
>> get
>> > Sakai to be able to compare strings correctly, sot ath it recognizes a
>> > correct answer?  Thanks.
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> >
>> > Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>> > Azusa Pacific University
>> > 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>> > Azusa, CA 91702
>> > 626-815-6000 x3148
>> > klitwak at apu.edu
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Christine Doherty <cdoherty at stanford.edu>
>> > To: Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu>
>> > Cc: sakai-user <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>> > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:10:39 -0700 (PDT)
>> > Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Auto-grading of short-answer questions
>> > If yoy want auto-scoring for that short an answer, use Fill-in-the-Blank
>> > question type. Short answer/essay question type is meant for prose that
>> > can't be auto-scored.
>> >
>> > Christine Doherty
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Sep 13, 2013, at 9:06 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > I set up a quiz with some short answer questions.  In one simple case, I
>> > asked students for the last name of a particular author.  My model
>> answer
>> > was
>> > Gorman
>> >
>> > Almost all my students gave the answer
>> > Gorman
>> >
>> > Sakai scored every student's answer as wrong.  Is there some trick to
>> get
>> > Sakai to be able to compare strings correctly, sot ath it recognizes a
>> > correct answer?  Thanks.
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> >
>> > Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>> > Azusa Pacific University
>> > 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>> > Azusa, CA 91702
>> > 626-815-6000 x3148
>> > klitwak at apu.edu
>> >
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>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu>
>> > To: Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com>
>> > Cc: sakai-user <sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>> > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:17:00 -0700
>> > Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Multiple Group-Only access to forums
>> > HI Bryan,
>> >
>> >    I already discussion going for this week. I presume there's no way to
>> > get the horses back in the barn even though the door is already.  That
>> is,
>> > since I didn't duplicate all the topics for this week, I am guessing
>> theree
>> > is no way to get Sakai to move current topic replies based upon the
>> group
>> > the poster is in into group-specific topics if I define them, is there?
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Digression:
>> >    Although I wish I were full-time faculty, I'm only a full-time
>> > programmer for my school, and an adjunct professor.  So I tend to look
>> at
>> > these things from a software developer perspective. It would really be
>> > helpful if Sakai made this easier.  It can't be that hard, as several
>> other
>> > LMSs do it, and Moodle's approach is even open-source, so ti could be
>> > studied easily as a model, but I digress.
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>> > Azusa Pacific University
>> > 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>> > Azusa, CA 91702
>> > 626-815-6000 x3148
>> > klitwak at apu.edu
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Bryan Holladay <holladay at longsight.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> > 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover all these forums?
>> >>
>> >> You don't need 36 gradebook items.  You can create multiple topics and
>> >> point them to a single GB item.  The connection between Forums and
>> >> Gradebook is a loose connection.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Bryan,
>> >>>
>> >>>    My school is on this version:  Sakai - 2.9.1.6 - Sakai 2.9.1
>> (Kernel
>> >>> 1.3.1)-
>> >>>
>> >>> I had already seen what you are talking about and did it partially.
>> >>> That is, I have three groups, and made most people, including
>> "Student,"
>> >>> "None," and each group "Contributor."
>> >>>
>> >>>      However, it sounds like for this week I needed to create three
>> >>> totally separate forums so that each group could have its own forum
>> where
>> >>> the group is the only thing that is "contributor."
>> >>>
>> >>>   If so, I have twelve weeks of threaded discussions students will be
>> >>> doing, and that means, what, 36(!) separate gradebook items to cover
>> all
>> >>> these forums?  That sounds like a nightmare for computing final
>> grades.  I
>> >>> always use points for everything and since I've not ever found a way
>> to
>> >>> make Sakai add up points to give me a total, I have to export the
>> gradebook
>> >>> to Excel and do it myself.  Having 36 instead of twelve assignments to
>> >>> process, is going to be really hard to manage, especially if I need to
>> >>> track who is really missing a score versus who posted in a different
>> forum
>> >>> that week.  Do you have any suggestions for managing, preferably
>> avoiding,
>> >>> this?  It seems like a very large headache to manage to me when this
>> is so
>> >>> easy to do, relatively speaking, in other tools.  Thanks.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ken
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>> >>> Azusa Pacific University
>> >>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>> >>> Azusa, CA 91702
>> >>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>> >>> klitwak at apu.edu
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:37 AM, Bryan Holladay <
>> holladay at longsight.com>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> You can create forums and topics that are specifically for a single
>> >>>> group in Sakai.  As of 2.9.0+, there is a simpler way to achieve this
>> >>>> through the UI [1], but if you are running an older version, you can
>> still
>> >>>> set it up manually.  All you have to do is go to the settings page
>> for the
>> >>>> forum or topic you want to lock down to a single group and select
>> "None"
>> >>>> for everyone's permission.  Then just find the group you want and
>> set only
>> >>>> that group's permission to "Contributor".  You probably don't want to
>> >>>> remove the instructor permissions.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Bryan
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [1] https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/MSGCNTR-231
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:27 AM, Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org
>> >wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Ken,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Which version of Sakai are you on?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If you don't know, you should probably be able to find it by looking
>> >>>>> at the bottom of your Web page. I'm reasonably sure that this
>> feature works
>> >>>>> in both Sakai 2.8 and 2.9, but the user interface to configure is
>> slightly
>> >>>>> different.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>> Neal
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Neal Caidin
>> >>>>> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
>> >>>>> neal.caidin at apereo.org
>> >>>>> Skype: nealkdin
>> >>>>> Twitter: ncaidin
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:54 AM, Kenneth Litwak <klitwak at apu.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>   In multiple learning management systems I have used before, such
>> as
>> >>>>> Blackboard, FIrstClass, and Moodle, I've been able to divide
>> students into
>> >>>>> groups and then have them respond to discussion forums by groups.
>>  That
>> >>>>> is,when a student goes to a discussion forum,
>> >>>>> She posts such that only her group members can see her posts
>> >>>>> She can only see posts by her group members.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I do not want to have weekly discussions that all students
>> participate
>> >>>>> in as one big group. It makes discussions too hard to follow,
>> manage, or
>> >>>>> grade.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>   The online help shows how to make groups and I have made the
>> groups
>> >>>>> contributors to the forums but I see no evidence that the three
>> groups that
>> >>>>> I have defined are being separated. How can I accomplish this?  I
>> need to
>> >>>>> know right away, so I'd appreciate guidance as soon as possible
>> please.
>> >>>>> Thanks.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ken
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Kenneth D. Litwak, Ph.D.
>> >>>>> Azusa Pacific University
>> >>>>> 680 E. Alosta Ave.
>> >>>>> Azusa, CA 91702
>> >>>>> 626-815-6000 x3148
>> >>>>> klitwak at apu.edu
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