[Using Sakai] Site Info -> Page Order -> Hide, Disable

[Charles Severance]

This sounds like a bug.

Hidden should only mean that the portal does not generate a link to the tool in the left nav.   All other links (Lessons or otherwise) should work - or at least the portal should not get in the way.  Sometimes Lessons does tricks manipulating tool data when a link is only to appear on a certain date/time that might make a direct link not work in some situations.

If we are generating links that student sees but fail - that is a bug and we should file a JIRA.   It will need to be pretty specific so we can reproduce it as there are three cooperating moving parts (Portal, Lessons, and the tool itself).  It may take a bit of work to get them all on the same page - but it would be good to know the scenarios that exist that lead to broken links.

If you are using Lock, all bets are off as the site order tool then adds a function (site.upd) that disables any and all student access regardless of link (even via Lessons).

/Chuck

On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Andrea Schmidt wrote:

> I understand why the hide option would be very useful,especially if the instructor would like weekly units in Lessons and wants to control how the students access the material.
> 
> Since Assignments, Tests & Quizzes and Forums are easily added through Lessons, what would be the expected behavior of the links created automatically on the Home page?
> 
> Forums are hidden on the menu, (as intended), are accessible through Lessons, (as intended), but if a someone posts to a Forum, a link shows up on the Home page of the site under Messages & Forums notifications, but Forums are not accessible to students through this link.
> 
>  Assignments: if the instructor selects to post the assignment open date to Announcements, that link is also not accessible to students.
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> I would think if a tool creates a link in the site and students are able to view the link, even if the tool is hidden on the menu, the student should be able to have access through the link. If the student should not have access, the links should not display, especially with Forums. With Assignments, the instructor can make sure not to post the open date to Announcements, but with  Forums, the instructor has no control and I would think having a link that doesn't work would be confusing to students.
> 
> Thanks, Andrea
> 
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Charles Severance <csev at umich.edu> wrote:
> The problem is that if we completely lock the tool then if you add a quiz or discussion to Lesson Builder it will be locked too.
> 
> If you hide it only - then Lesson builder can know about it and send users to it.
> 
> Hide is most useful when a teacher wants to really control the structure in Lesson Builder and not allow the user to go into Samigo or Message Center and look around
> 
> Lock is most useful when you want to build something and keep it completely inaccessible to the users and are not giving them links via Lesson Builder.
> 
> /Chuck
> 
> On Feb 1, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Andrea Schmidt wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm looking for information on the new Page Order feature under Site Info on 2.9. There is already a "hide" option, and now there is the lock icon with "Disable the following page for normal users". I'm confused on the expected behavior for each and the help files don't have any information. Both hide the item on the menu from the user. If an assignment is added through another tool that is visible to the students, what is the expected behavior for each option?
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>> Lock: Disable the following page for normal users
>> Lightbulb: Hide the following page from normal users
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Andrea Schmidt
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