[sakai-pmc] [sakai-forum] Re: What do we think of this so far?

Wed Jan 7 09:17:42 PST 2015

No disrespect experienced. I was just clarifying next steps, building on
Ian's comments.

Cheers,
Neal

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Noah Botimer <botimer at umich.edu> wrote:

> Oh, certainly. I mean no disrespect to the people and groups mentioned. I
> only gave some ballpark ideas to start some community self-examination; no
> unilateral action implied.
>
> The basis of my suggestion was that a large portion of messages to the
> grouped lists were cross-posts of the same announcements. I have no agenda
> other than providing facilitation and clarity to accompany the disruption
> that would come from moving the lists. The only real costs of extra lists
> are fragmentation and duplication, to be weighed against concision and
> cohesion.
>
> Thanks,
> -Noah
>
> On Jan 7, 2015, at 9:25 AM, Neal Caidin wrote:
>
> Fortunately, Anthony W. has done much of this ground work and already
> consolidated and removed many lists as compared with a year or so ago. I'll
> go back and look at the spreadsheet he created and make a plan based on
> where we are now and share the plan.
>
> It will involve reaching out to the existing lists so we don't have too
> much of a heavy hand in making the changes. I'll post the plan to the PMC
> though after that we can just do it (primarily Ian and myself it sounds
> like). :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Neal
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 5:13 AM, Ian Dolphin <ian.dolphin at apereo.org>
> wrote:
>
>> It would strike me that it is appropriate to raise the potential futures
>> of many of the lists being discussed with the lists themselves - or at
>> least to provide the opportunity for voices from those lists to be heard
>> by directly approaching them. The right people to decide whether a
>> portfolio list is still required are members of the portfolio list -
>> likewise Ja-Sakai, and at least some of the others I've seen mentioned.
>>
>> If it would be helpful for the Foundation (AKA, in this case, Neal and
>> myself) to help with consultation and any transition, I'm sure we could
>> work something out.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Ian D
>> > Jean-Francois Leveque <mailto:jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>
>> > 7 January 2015 09:55
>> > That consolidation doesn't sound good to me.
>> >
>> > Mixing i18n, a11y, docs and QA seems wrong.
>> >
>> > Is portfolio still needed, when OSP is not maintained and the new
>> > portfolio project is independent?
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>> > Steve Swinsburg <mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>
>> > 6 January 2015 20:22
>> > Yep, that consolidation sounds good too.
>> >
>> > I still have the question as to why the google group would exist under
>> > the apereo.org <http://apereo.org> umbrella and not just a main google
>> > group. What do we achieve? Do we lose anything in terms of visibility
>> > and discoverability?
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Noah Botimer <mailto:botimer at umich.edu>
>> > 6 January 2015 16:04
>> > Sold. Now what about the mapping? It seems clear that activity is
>> > somewhat lower and less diverse than in times past. Even though many
>> > have been consolidated already, here is a further strawman:
>> >
>> > gradebook2-dev, evaluation, samigo-team, sakai-mobile -> sakai-dev
>> >
>> > infrastructure -> sakai-core-team
>> >
>> > portfolio -> pedagogy
>> >
>> > i18n, accessibility, sakai-docs -> sakai-qa
>> >
>> > (and maybe something with eurosakai, ja-sakai, sakai-france, sakai-au)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > -Noah
>> >
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>> > Matthew Jones <mailto:matthew at longsight.com>
>> > 6 January 2015 15:18
>> > The monthly costs of the server that host mailman and Jenkins together
>> > was something like $150 a month. We really don't need that Jenkins
>> > instance anymore because we have a Jenkins running on AWS now with the
>> > new nightlies.
>> >
>> > We could put mailman on an EC2 (either the current machine or a micro)
>> > and shut down this existing machine to save the foundation money but
>> > someone would have to set it up with our custom hacks and
>> > configuration which would probably take at least a few hours.
>> >
>> > But I think we also figured Google groups provided more benefits even
>> > over the cost savings, such as better archives of the messages,
>> > searching and a forum style web view.
>> >
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>> > Noah Botimer <mailto:botimer at umich.edu>
>> > 6 January 2015 15:10
>> > So, uhh... Is Mailman a problem? I mean: what is the total time +
>> > dollar cost annually?
>> >
>> > I don't mind consolidation and outsourcing but it kind of feels like
>> > fiddling unless there are other costs and issues unknown to me.
>> >
>> > I suppose we're moving other core workflow/infrastructure bits around
>> > now, so it's as good a time as any. This isn't an objection -- just
>> > wondering why the new mouse trap's better, since it might shape the
>> > transition (à la grand unification).
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > -Noah
>> >
>> >
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