[sakai-pmc] rWiki and xWiki > Re: Talkin' Sakai 11

Wed Feb 12 07:54:04 PST 2014

Hi Josh,

Is there anything we can do to build momentum towards a replacement wiki 
at the Open Apereo Conference. Perhaps a Birds of a Feather to find who 
would might be interested (and by extension who might be willing to help 
find resources or $$ to move things forward)?

Cheers,
Neal

> Josh Baron <mailto:Josh.Baron at marist.edu>
> February 12, 2014 at 10:05 AM
> Folks may want to dig into some of the documents linked off the 
> confluence site I noted below...one in particular, 
> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/SAKDEV/Proposal+and+Development+Status, 
> contains details on a number of wikis that we evaluated back in 2010 
> as we looked for a third party integration options.  The page has a 
> spreadsheet linked to it with a number of the top contenders and some 
> of the key metrics we used to evaluate them.
>
> Ultimately, we landed on "xWiki" (details on why are in the report) 
> but that was long enough ago that another assessment might be needed.
>
> I would agree with Chuck, despite the current limitations of rWiki, it 
> is used heavily by a certain population of Sakai users, particular 
> those trying to push the envelope in using technology to innovate 
> their teaching.  Loosing this capability could be painful for this 
> population who is of particular importance in driving innovation on 
> campuses.
>
> Marist would be interested in working with others and putting some 
> resources into an improved wiki experience.
>
> Josh
>
> -----------------------------
> Joshua Baron
> Senior Academic Technology Officer
> Marist College
> Poughkeepsie, New York  12601
> (845) 575-3623 (work)
> Twitter: JoshBaron
>
>
>
> From: "Berg, Alan" <A.M.Berg at uva.nl>
> To: Charles Severance <csev at umich.edu>, 
> "sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org" <sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org>,
> Cc: Josh Baron <Josh.Baron at marist.edu>
> Date: 02/12/2014 09:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [sakai-pmc] rWiki and xWiki > Re:  Talkin' Sakai 11
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I notice a number of BasicLTI integrations with wordpress. I have no 
> experience of quality in the market place, however, in your opinion 
> are there any good quality integrations for a WIKI that could act as a 
> replacement?
>
> Regards,
>           Alan
>
>
> Alan Berg
>
> Innovation working group
> On the use of ICT in Education & Research
> University of Amsterdam
> Postbus 1025 / 1000 BA Amsterdam
> Weesperzijde 190 / 1097 DZ Amsterdam
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* sakai-pmc-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> [sakai-pmc-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] on behalf of Charles 
> Severance [csev at umich.edu]*
> Sent:* 12 February 2014 15:42*
> To:* sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org*
> Cc:* Josh Baron*
> Subject:* Re: [sakai-pmc] rWiki and xWiki > Re: Talkin' Sakai 11
>
> I also feel that the rwiki deprecation for Sakai-11 has the lowest 
> consensus of the proposed Sakai-11 ideas shared by Anthony. 
>  Personally I am not convinced at all that it should be removed.
>
> Those advocating for deprecation should propose an alternative and be 
> prepared to put resources into making the alternative work.
>
> /Chuck
>
> On Feb 11, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Josh Baron <_Josh.Baron at marist.edu_ 
> <mailto:Josh.Baron at marist.edu>> wrote:
>
> While we were at Apereo Camp I mentioned work that took place at 
> Marist in 2010, in collaboration with rSmart, to experiment with 
> integrating xWiki (_http://www.xwiki.org/_) into Sakai.  The project 
> was undertaken because of what seems to be heavy use (or at least 
> interest) by teachers to have wiki-like capabilities and the feeling 
> that rWiki was not likely to be further developed.  Although this was 
> more of a proof-of-concept we were successful in deploying the 
> integration.  It is likely that updates to xWiki at this point may 
> make this integration even easier (LTI?).
>
> Folks can review all of the prior work and code at: 
> _https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/SAKDEV/XWiki+Integration_
>
> Although the person who worked on this, Adam Hocek, is no longer at 
> Marist I'm sure there would be interested in continuing this work if 
> others were interested.
>
> Josh
>
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> Berg, Alan <mailto:A.M.Berg at uva.nl>
> February 12, 2014 at 9:55 AM
> Hi Chuck,
>
> I notice a number of BasicLTI integrations with wordpress. I have no 
> experience of quality in the market place, however, in your opinion 
> are there any good quality integrations for a WIKI that could act as a 
> replacement?
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> Alan Berg
>
> Innovation working group
> On the use of ICT in Education &Research
> University of Amsterdam
>
> Postbus 1025 / 1000 BA Amsterdam
> Weesperzijde 190 / 1097 DZ Amsterdam
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* sakai-pmc-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org 
> [sakai-pmc-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] on behalf of Charles 
> Severance [csev at umich.edu]
> *Sent:* 12 February 2014 15:42
> *To:* sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org
> *Cc:* Josh Baron
> *Subject:* Re: [sakai-pmc] rWiki and xWiki > Re: Talkin' Sakai 11
>
> I also feel that the rwiki deprecation for Sakai-11 has the lowest 
> consensus of the proposed Sakai-11 ideas shared by Anthony. 
>  Personally I am not convinced at all that it should be removed.
>
> Those advocating for deprecation should propose an alternative and be 
> prepared to put resources into making the alternative work.
>
> /Chuck
>
> On Feb 11, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Josh Baron <Josh.Baron at marist.edu 
> <mailto:Josh.Baron at marist.edu>> wrote:
>
>
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> Josh Baron <mailto:Josh.Baron at marist.edu>
> February 11, 2014 at 5:29 PM
> While we were at Apereo Camp I mentioned work that took place at 
> Marist in 2010, in collaboration with rSmart, to experiment with 
> integrating xWiki (http://www.xwiki.org/) into Sakai.  The project was 
> undertaken because of what seems to be heavy use (or at least 
> interest) by teachers to have wiki-like capabilities and the feeling 
> that rWiki was not likely to be further developed.  Although this was 
> more of a proof-of-concept we were successful in deploying the 
> integration.  It is likely that updates to xWiki at this point may 
> make this integration even easier (LTI?).
>
> Folks can review all of the prior work and code at: 
> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/SAKDEV/XWiki+Integration
>
> Although the person who worked on this, Adam Hocek, is no longer at 
> Marist I'm sure there would be interested in continuing this work if 
> others were interested.
>
> Josh
>
> -----------------------------
> Joshua Baron
> Senior Academic Technology Officer
> Marist College
> Poughkeepsie, New York  12601
> (845) 575-3623 (work)
> Twitter: JoshBaron
>
>
>
> From: Seth Theriault <slt at columbia.edu>
> To: Anthony Whyte <arwhyte at umich.edu>,
> Cc: sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org, Developers Sakai-Dev 
> <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>, pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Date: 02/11/2014 05:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [sakai-pmc] Talkin' Sakai 11
> Sent by: sakai-pmc-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Anthony Whyte <arwhyte at umich.edu> wrote:
>
> > A defensive insertion in the doc I reckon from someone
> > concerned that any talk of rwiki deprecation/removal requires an exit
> > strategy that involves a replacement.
>
> Yes, the Perl reference is opaque (not made by me), but this is a
> concern I have, especially given the wiki tool's widespread usage.
>
> Seth
>
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> Seth Theriault <mailto:slt at columbia.edu>
> February 11, 2014 at 5:23 PM
>
> Yes, the Perl reference is opaque (not made by me), but this is a
> concern I have, especially given the wiki tool's widespread usage.
>
> Seth
>
> Anthony Whyte <mailto:arwhyte at umich.edu>
> February 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM
>
> The doc noted in today's email is in Confluence as noted and 
> supersedes the earlier doc used during the ApereoCamp. [1]
>
> I prefer reading questions, comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc. on 
> the public lists.   Indeed, I'll wager that posting on list is more 
> likely to elicit a response then adding a comment to a doc in 
> Confluence.  Besides, as our decisions are forged on the public lists 
> so too in my view should the discussions that inform our decision-making.
>
>
> A vague line to be sure, and one that I interpret as a demand that a 
> migration script be provided to transfer rwiki content to a yet 
> unspecified replacement/alternative should rwiki be targeted for 
> removal from the Sakai distribution.  A defensive insertion in the doc 
> I reckon from someone concerned that any talk of rwiki 
> deprecation/removal requires an exit strategy that involves a replacement.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anth
>
> [1] https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/REL/Sakai+11+straw+man
>
>
> anthony whyte | its and mlibrary | university of michigan | 
> arwhyte at umich.edu <mailto:arwhyte at umich.edu> | 517-980-0228
>
>
>
>

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