[Building Sakai] Change the Sakai CLE release date policy ?

[Steve Swinsburg]

It's probably time we kick off the roadmap/ commit dashboard that we
discussed at the final pmc meeting. This would go a long way to addressing
some of these visibility issues.

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On 07/08/2014 11:26 PM, "Kirschner, Beth" <bkirschn at umich.edu> wrote:

> While this is all good and true, I think we could do a better job of
> promoting ourselves. Neal, I wonder if there's a place for all this
> information on the sakaiproject.org website?
>
>  Beth
>
> On Aug 6, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Earle Nietzel <enietzel at anisakai.com> wrote:
>
> > Would like to also add some comments to this thread, specifically on the
> points mentioned at:
> >
> > Why are we moving away from Sakai?
> >
> > Accessibility
> > Sakai has accessibility features on par with the rest of the major
> LMS's, one of the reasons that Sakai has not been as vocal about is that
> there is no official section 508 certification. There was at one point on
> the canvas website saying they were 508 certified which looks to be now
> removed. With that said Sakai does aim to support accessibility, and we
> need to be more vocal about it on the Sakai website. But if you want to
> only believe whats on the canvas website well there is not much to talk
> about then!
> > Tool integration (claims: Sakai’s LTI is limited, at best)
> > Sakai has LTI 2 support is in Sakai 10!
> > Canvas doesn't have LTI 2 support though they have given presentations
> on it!
> > Frequency of Updates (claims: Sakai has not had significant updates in
> years)
> > Sakai receives updates and bug fixes every day you just have to look.
> > 2.9.0 600 changes
> > 2.9.1 106 changes
> > 2.9.2 137 changes
> > 2.9.3 88 changes
> > 10.0 404 changes
> > 10.1 141 changes (currently, releasing soon so this will increase)
> > Mobile Strategy (claims: Sakai does not have a mobile strategy to speak
> of)
> > Sakai has has a mobile web portal for a while though it was an off shoot
> of the velocity portal that is controlled by a separate set of templates
> and it was called the "pda portal". Though the pda portal used some device
> detection and could be made to render an appropriate view for a device(s)
> and while its implementation was typical a few years ago it is
> fundamentally flawed as there is just to much engineering required for this
> approach. The web has since moved to repsonsive ui's which is a better
> approach and doesn't require as much engineering. Sakai 11 will have a
> responisve ui in all its glory! Thanks to the work of many but you can
> check out this presentation.
> >
> > We all need to make decisions and I feel that the blog post mentioned in
> this email thread is an attempt to justify their decision for moving to
> another LMS other than Sakai. Most of the information in that blog supports
> that organizations intentions, and are not factual as have been refuted
> above.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Earle Nietzel
> > Member of the Sakai Community / Asahi Net Int
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM, <yleny at laposte.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Maybe Sakai CLE developpers need to change the release date policy
> because of this example :
> > I found this blog post when I made research about Sakai CLE and I think
> that Sakai CLE developpers need to read it to improve Sakai CLE for a
> better LMS for the users.
> >
> > The LMS Transition Initiative
> > http://wheel.ucdavis.edu/lms/
> > extract :
> > "Frequency of Updates. Sakai has not had significant updates in years
> (only bug fixes), and the fixes that do occur are annual, which is not
> frequently enough. The LMS candidates that we are investigating update
> tools, add functionality, and address bugs much more frequently."
> >
> > When you take a look at all official releases of Sakai CLE web page
> (that I have created), grouped by branch in reverse chronological order:
> > Sakai Release Date list
> > https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/DOC/Sakai+Release+Date+list
> > you can see that users neeed to wait 3 months for a minor release
> (2.9.x) and 10 months between a major release (from 2.9.3 to 2.10.0) and
>  it's only 2 months between a minor release for Moodle.
> > All official releases of Moodle, grouped by branch in reverse
> chronological order:
> > http://docs.moodle.org/dev/Releases
> >
> > For the to support policy, you can compare these two tables :
> > For Moodle  :
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodle#Releases
> > and
> > for Sakai CLE
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakai_CLE#Releases
> >
> > Is it possible to have a minor release every two months to fix the bugs,
> to have minor improvements and to have the latest translations ?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Yannick
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