[Building Sakai] Change the Sakai CLE release date policy ?

Fri Aug 8 10:05:17 PDT 2014

>While this is all good and true, I think we could do a better job of promoting ourselves.
In France, it is not easy, we have several organizations (University) that use Sakai CLE,
but we have a lot of organizations (University, high school, college) that use Moodle :
https://moodle.org/sites/index.php?country=FR.

It's not easy to promote Sakai CLE when :
* Moodle main website is in french : https://moodle.org/?lang=fr
* Moodle have a lot of users in France : https://moodle.org/sites/index.php?country=FR.
* Moodle have a big annual meeting, each year, in France : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodle#La_conf.C3.A9rence_francophone_annuelle_.28MoodleMoot.29

In France, several users in several organizations (University) try to improve Sakai CLE for their own use or for their users by translating, creating documentation, reporting bugs, creating patchs, etc....

> Message du 07/08/14 15:26
> De : "Kirschner, Beth"
> A : "Neal Caidin"
> Copie à : yleny at laposte.net, sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org, "Earle Nietzel"
> Objet : Re: [Building Sakai] Change the Sakai CLE release date policy ?
>
> While this is all good and true, I think we could do a better job of promoting ourselves. Neal, I wonder if there's a place for all this information on the sakaiproject.org website?
>
> Beth
>
> On Aug 6, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Earle Nietzel wrote:
>
> > Would like to also add some comments to this thread, specifically on the points mentioned at:
> >
> > Why are we moving away from Sakai?
> >
> > Accessibility
> > Sakai has accessibility features on par with the rest of the major LMS's, one of the reasons that Sakai has not been as vocal about is that there is no official section 508 certification. There was at one point on the canvas website saying they were 508 certified which looks to be now removed. With that said Sakai does aim to support accessibility, and we need to be more vocal about it on the Sakai website. But if you want to only believe whats on the canvas website well there is not much to talk about then!
> > Tool integration (claims: Sakai’s LTI is limited, at best)
> > Sakai has LTI 2 support is in Sakai 10!
> > Canvas doesn't have LTI 2 support though they have given presentations on it!
> > Frequency of Updates (claims: Sakai has not had significant updates in years)
> > Sakai receives updates and bug fixes every day you just have to look.
> > 2.9.0 600 changes
> > 2.9.1 106 changes
> > 2.9.2 137 changes
> > 2.9.3 88 changes
> > 10.0 404 changes
> > 10.1 141 changes (currently, releasing soon so this will increase)
> > Mobile Strategy (claims: Sakai does not have a mobile strategy to speak of)
> > Sakai has has a mobile web portal for a while though it was an off shoot of the velocity portal that is controlled by a separate set of templates and it was called the "pda portal". Though the pda portal used some device detection and could be made to render an appropriate view for a device(s) and while its implementation was typical a few years ago it is fundamentally flawed as there is just to much engineering required for this approach. The web has since moved to repsonsive ui's which is a better approach and doesn't require as much engineering. Sakai 11 will have a responisve ui in all its glory! Thanks to the work of many but you can check out this presentation.
> >
> > We all need to make decisions and I feel that the blog post mentioned in this email thread is an attempt to justify their decision for moving to another LMS other than Sakai. Most of the information in that blog supports that organizations intentions, and are not factual as have been refuted above.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Earle Nietzel
> > Member of the Sakai Community / Asahi Net Int
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:36 AM, wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Maybe Sakai CLE developpers need to change the release date policy because of this example :
> > I found this blog post when I made research about Sakai CLE and I think that Sakai CLE developpers need to read it to improve Sakai CLE for a better LMS for the users.
> >
> > The LMS Transition Initiative
> > http://wheel.ucdavis.edu/lms/
> > extract :
> > "Frequency of Updates. Sakai has not had significant updates in years (only bug fixes), and the fixes that do occur are annual, which is not frequently enough. The LMS candidates that we are investigating update tools, add functionality, and address bugs much more frequently."
> >
> > When you take a look at all official releases of Sakai CLE web page (that I have created), grouped by branch in reverse chronological order:
> > Sakai Release Date list
> > https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/DOC/Sakai+Release+Date+list
> > you can see that users neeed to wait 3 months for a minor release (2.9.x) and 10 months between a major release (from 2.9.3 to 2.10.0) and it's only 2 months between a minor release for Moodle.
> > All official releases of Moodle, grouped by branch in reverse chronological order:
> > http://docs.moodle.org/dev/Releases
> >
> > For the to support policy, you can compare these two tables :
> > For Moodle :
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moodle#Releases
> > and
> > for Sakai CLE
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakai_CLE#Releases
> >
> > Is it possible to have a minor release every two months to fix the bugs, to have minor improvements and to have the latest translations ?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Yannick
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