[Building Sakai] 2.9.x Browsers Supported, curious

Thu Apr 11 17:24:07 PDT 2013

Agreed. Completely. The requirements are stated, and they should be observed. Objections are above and beyond the purpose of my thread.

That said.. Can we talk html5 doctype and modern elements now? I see that IE9 does, in fact, support several even without any kind of a javascript-based HTML5 shiv:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/hh410106#_HTML5_Semantic_Elements

I would ask about two things:

  1.  Changes to current tools, over time, and
  2.  New tools, recommendations to use HTML5 elements, and
  3.  Portal module doctype settings.

What would break, if anything, if you got away from the antiquated XHTML transitional doctype to just an html doctype? Is there any tool actually relying on this now?
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From: Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013 8:20 PM
To: David Poindexter <davpoind at iupui.edu<mailto:davpoind at iupui.edu>>
Cc: Gao Jun <gaojun at fudan.edu.cn<mailto:gaojun at fudan.edu.cn>>, Sakai Dev <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>>
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] 2.9.x Browsers Supported, curious

Microsoft themselves urge people to not use IE6. We should not be wasting time supporting it (I know I have in the past). If you want to run unsupported browsers, you need to shoulder the risk.

Its simple to upgrade browsers these days, and if an IT department is managing software installations and preventing people from upgrading themselves, it is their responsibility to stay on top of this. Even running IE7 is irresponsible IMO.

cheers,
Steve

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Poindexter, David Ray <davpoind at iupui.edu<mailto:davpoind at iupui.edu>> wrote:
As a followup, you need to evaluate your own stats instead of relying on what China as a whole is doing.

I'm not saying that you're wrong; however, I'm saying that looking at global stats is very misleading when trying to determine what browsers you need to support.

And again I reiterate that what YOU need to support may not necessarily be in the best interest of the rest of the globe, and perhaps there is a more local solution for your situation? A routing rule or local customization you can maintain, perhaps?

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From: Gao Jun <gaojun at fudan.edu.cn<mailto:gaojun at fudan.edu.cn>>
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:59 PM
To: Sakai Dev <sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>>
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] 2.9.x Browsers Supported, curious

Unfortunately, IE6 has 25% usage in China now [1]. When we updated Sakai from 2.8 to 2.9 about a month ago, we found many users couldn't use Sakai friendly.
In my university, especially in some public computer lab, IE6 is the default web browser. And the lab administrator is too lazy to update it.
So, we have to change the code to meet this situation.
Sakai will check every request, and read the User-Agent head. If it's an IE6 browser, the defaultskin would be rendered, otherwise, the neo-skin is rendered.
I think this method could be used to handle other situation of lagacy browsers.
I'll post the solution to JIRA after some code arrangement.

[1] http://www.ie6countdown.com/

于 2013年04月12日 07:17, Neal Caidin 写道:
If you look on https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/DOC/Sakai+CLE+2.9+release+notes#SakaiCLE29releasenotes-Browsercompatibility

you will see it says "Sakai CLE is designed to work with modern browsers. You should be safe with the latest versions of Firefox (Mozilla), Safari (Apple), Chrome (Google), and with IE 9 (Microsoft Internet Explorer aka IE) and IE 8. Sakai CLE does not work with IE 7 and earlier nor with Firefox 10 and earlier."

If something is not working with IE 9, please report it through Jira.

Cheers,

Neal Caidin

Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org<mailto:nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org>
Skype: nealkdin
AIM: ncaidin at aol.com<mailto:ncaidin at aol.com>

On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:09 PM, "Poindexter, David Ray" <davpoind at iupui.edu<mailto:davpoind at iupui.edu>> wrote:

So, where is the official list of browsers supported by 2.9.0+?

There's a lot of pre-IE9 stuff in Sakai, and I'm curious whether it's actually supposed to be there or not. We, IU, are supporting (Current major version) + (N-1) of Chrome, Firefox, and IE.

What say you?
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