[Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with accents problems
Karen Tsao
ktsao at stanford.edu
Tue Sep 7 11:28:07 PDT 2010
Cheryl,
Can you please log this issue in JIRA? Please add the sample texts and the
way to reproduce it.
Thanks,
Karen
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu> wrote:
> Just to refresh. The main problem occurred when the instructor created her
> test questions and responses in Microsoft Word and then used the 'Paste from
> Word' icon in the FCK editor to paste the question into Samigo's FCK editor.
> There was some artifact, it seemed, from the 'Paste from Word' option that
> corrupted the question/answer pair.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Francois Leveque [mailto:jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 5:55 AM
> To: Karen Tsao
> Cc: Johns, Cheryl; Developers Sakai-Dev
> Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with accents
> problems
>
> Hi Cheryl and Karen,
>
> Are there issues in JIRA for the problems Cheryl has found?
>
> Cheers,
> J-F
>
> Karen Tsao a écrit :
> > Hi Cheryl,
> >
> > I think what your test case is not what should be used by instructors...
> > If the instructor have "nació" as the correct answer, not only
> > instructor sees the HTML encoding in authoring and grading, when
> > students take/review the assessment, they will also see this as correct
> > answer. Shouldn't "nació" be displayed to students? Additionally, if you
> > have "nació" entered correctly, all the questions are graded correctly.
> >
> > However, I do agree all the questions should be graded correctly even if
> > we enter "nació". But because this should not be a common use
> > case, and the fix seems not local but we are in the late stage of 2.7.x
> > release, I plan to fix this in 2.8. Please let me know what you think.
> >
> > By the way, I work on a mac and cannot reproduce what you have using Neo
> > Office or Open Office. I will give it a try later when I can access a
> > window box.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu
> > <mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > That is how I typed it into the question.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm on a windows box and had no other way to create the character
> > without cutting/pasting from Word. I'm sure there is another way,
> > but the behavior is still odd if you look at the tests and how they
> > are scored.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* ktsao at hungs.org <mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>
> > [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org <mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>] *On Behalf Of
> > *Karen Tsao
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:16 PM
> >
> > *To:* Johns, Cheryl
> > *Cc:* Developers Sakai-Dev
> > *Subject:* Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions
> > with accents problems
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Cheryl,
> >
> > I saw you have "nació" instead of "nació" in your question
> > text. Do you do this intentionally? Or this is created through
> > import from an old assessment?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Johns, Cheryl
> > <cheryl.johns at yale.edu <mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > We just tested this on nightly and the behavior is the same. The
> > last question does not get graded properly.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll add you to that site as well with your Stanford address.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* ktsao at hungs.org <mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>
> > [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org <mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>] *On Behalf Of
> > *Karen Tsao
> >
> >
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:47 PM
> > *To:* Johns, Cheryl
> >
> > *Cc:* Developers Sakai-Dev
> >
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions
> > with accents problems
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Cheryl,
> >
> >
> >
> > I cannot reproduce your issue in either Sakai 2.6.x instance or my
> > trunk instance. Can if you give me the instructor and student login
> > of your instance so I can take a look at your instance?
> >
> > Also, can you please try this in Sakai 2.6.x nightly instance
> > (http://nightly2.sakaiproject.org:8087/portal) and let me know if
> > you can reproduce your issue there? If you cannot reproduce this in
> > Sakai 2.6.x, you probably missing some patches. What svn revision do
> > you have?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Karen
> >
> > 2010/4/27 Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu
> > <mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>>
> >
> > We are using Sakai 2.6.x and are having problems with fill in
> > questions grading properly when the answers have accent characters
> > in them. Here is an example of the question and how Samigo
> > functions based on how the test is created.
> >
> >
> >
> > Question: El actor y humorista Mauricio Borensztein (Tato Bores)
> > {nació} (nacer) en Buenos Aires el 27 de abril de 1927. Desde chico
> > {tuvo} (tener) que salir a trabajar para ayudar en su casa. Antes de
> > {cumplir} (cumplir) diez años ya {había estado|estaba} (estar)
> > abriendo las puertas de los coches en la entrada del Teatro
> > Cervantes. Pese a todo, {pudo} (poder) terminar la escuela primaria,
> > pero no la secundaria.
> >
> > <br />
> >
> > A los 18 años {consiguió} (conseguir) trabajo como plomo, el que
> > lleva los instrumentos y las partituras, en la orquesta de Luis
> > Rolero que {amenizó} (amenizar) los programas de Pepe Iglesias en
> > Radio Splendid. En los intervalos, Tato {contaba} (contar) chistes
> > que el grupo {celebraba} (celebrar) ruidosamente. Julio Porter y
> > Pepe Iglesias {se fijaron} (fijarse) en él y al poco tiempo lo
> > {hicieron} (hacer) debutar ante los micrófonos. A través de Porter
> > {se vinculó} (vincularse) paralelamente al teatro Maipo, el cual lo
> > {incorporó} (incorporar) a sus elencos de revista, en los cuales
> > {resplandeció} (resplandecer) con su humor político inyectado de
> > sutilezas.
> >
> > <br />
> >
> > En 1957 {comenzó} (comenzar) su labor televisiva en La familia Gesa
> > contando chistes políticos. En 1958, cuando el gobierno de Frondizi
> > {enfrentó|enfrentaba} (enfrentar) una crisis ministerial, {apareció}
> > (aparecer) por primera vez vestido de frac, con habano , lentes y
> > peluca, para estar preparado "por si le {ofrecían|ofrecieran}
> > (ofrecer) algún ministerio", y nunca más {se desentendió}
> > (desentenderse) de ese atuendo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scenario 1: Quiz with 1 question, 1 part
> >
> > Outcome: Question scores fine
> >
> >
> >
> > Scenario 2: Quiz with 2 questions, 1 part (I put this question in
> > twice)
> >
> > Outcome: The first question marks the answer wrong, but when the
> > same answer is put into the second question, it scores as correct.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scenario 3: Quiz with 3 questions, 1 part (I put this question in
> > three times)
> >
> > Outcome: The first and second questions mark the answer wrong, but
> > when the same answer is put into the third question, it scores as
> > correct.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scenario 4: Quiz with 2 questions, 2 parts (I put this question in
> > twice; 1 question in each part)
> >
> > Outcome: The first question marks the answer wrong, but when the
> > same answer is put into the second question in the second part, it
> > scores as correct.
> >
> >
> >
> > I can give someone guest IDs (both instructor and student) on our
> > server if you want to see the behavior.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheryl Johns
> >
> > Applications Support Manager, Instructional Solutions
> >
> > http://cmi2.yale.edu
> >
> > The Center for Media and Instructional Innovation
> >
> > 135 College Street, Suite 101
> >
> > New Haven, CT 06510
> >
> > Office: 1.203.436.4626
>
> --
> Jean-Francois Leveque
> Australe CTO (local Sakai)
> University Pierre and Marie Curie
> France
>
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