[Building Sakai] What are your group and role integration needs?

[John Norman]

Ian posted some outline of CSU requirements at http://groups.google.com/group/sakai-kernel/web/csu-site-user-and-groups-requirements?hl=en

and I posted some much criticised thoughts summarising what I think  
meets most of the requirements I have heard over time on the lists at:
http://groups.google.com/group/sakai-kernel/web/rough-thinking-on-a-general-conceptual-model-relating-to-sites-and-groups?hl=en

John

On 11 May 2009, at 19:46, Ray Davis wrote:

> A couple of years ago, a Sakai team asked the community for help
> understanding your institutional structures as they might ideally be
> known to your LMS/CLE. That effort led to an abstraction of "course
> management" data which was more practically useful than those that had
> preceded it. But our ability to use this new model in an optimal way
> from Sakai applications was hobbled by lack of dedicated personnel and
> by the need to preserve legacy approaches to site management and
> permission handling.
>
> This year, the time seems right to finally take on the issues of
> federated authorization:
>
> * IMS is about to bring out their Learning Information Services  
> proposal
> <http://www.imsglobal.org/enterprise.cfm>, which I expect will meet  
> all
> the use cases met by the Sakai CM API in a way that attracts the
> attention of developers from outside the Sakai community. For example,
> the attention of...
>
> * Oracle, who has an early implementation built on PeopleSoft:
> http://www.oracle.com/applications/peoplesoft/campus_solutions/ent/module/student-administration-integration-pack.html
>
> * Which is turn is being used by Unicon as a new integration point for
> Sakai:
> http://bugs.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/IMSES/Sakora+Project+Update
>
> * But also being used by Moodlerooms as a new integration point for
> Moodle:
> http://mfeldstein.com/moodlerooms-doing-great-standards-based-integration-work/
>
> * Meanwhile, many schools are looking for secure ways to cut  
> maintenance
> costs by going through external hosting solutions like Google Apps:
> http://www.google.com/educators/p_apps.html
>
> * And meanwhile, many schools are looking for new ways to let their
> LMS/CLE mash up external Web 2.0 applications or take advantage of  
> cloud
> services.
>
> * And meanwhile, Internet2 has started a working group to understand
> access management needs across a wide range of software products and
> services: http://middleware.internet2.edu/paccman/
>
> * While Internet2's COmanage project continues to try to share
> authorization data more efficiently across applications:
> http://middleware.internet2.edu/co/
>
> * And then there are these efforts called "Sakai 3" and "K2" which you
> may have heard something about...
>
> So I'm sending this to ask you to start thinking and talking about how
> you'd ideally like to see groups, roles, and permissions handled in  
> your
> college's or university's open source collaborative framework --
> particularly when it comes to merging "inside the application" views
> (like "assign authorship of this research paper to this particular
> subset of site members") with "outside the application" views (like
> "Philosophy majors" or "my Facebook friends").
>
> We don't yet have a specific Sakai mailing list, wiki space, or Google
> Group for this work, but I'll keep track of discussions until we find
> the proper spot. Unfortunately, for the next couple of weeks I'll have
> only part-time network access. However, starting at the end of May I
> should be able to convey more Sakai use cases to the MACE-paccman  
> group,
> and in June I'll be attending the Educause CAMP summit on Identity
> Services: <http://net.educause.edu/CAMP093>.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help and (continued) patience,
> Ray
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