[Building Sakai] Questions about new synoptic tool for Messages & Forums

Mon Aug 3 05:42:20 PDT 2009

Jason,

I can't speak for our user's (maybe someone else reading this from IU can?) but I personally like to know the context of where the new message is coming from.  Its like a filter on your mailbox... :)  Also, by breaking it up this way, it was easier to know where to redirect the user (ie. Which messages or forums tool).  If we would do something like a massive dump of all messages into a single mailbox (not sure how to do this for forums), then we would run back into the same performance issues that took our production server down.  This is supposed to be a quick glance at all your classes so you know if you need to read something new and for which class.

Bryan

On 7/31/09 9:09 PM, "Jason Shao (CampusEAI Consortium)" <jason_shao at campuseai.org> wrote:

Bryan,

This looks neat.

I must admit, I'm a bit curious though - when I conceptualize Messages, I tend to think of them as being more person-to-person, and less focused on the context of a site - e.g. I'd expect users to have more of a "you've got mail" messages summary.

I'm wondering if IU users might just be using the tool differently than I'd expect though.

Jason

On 7/30/09 4:12 PM, "Holladay, Bryan Andrew" <bahollad at indiana.edu> wrote:

Sounds good.  I can put in some time setting this up since this will help with community acceptance.  It'll have to be sometime after Aug 23rd.  I'm currently really busy.

Bryan

On 7/30/09 4:02 PM, "Clay Fenlason" <clay.fenlason at et.gatech.edu> wrote:

A property might be a good idea. Ever since Messages and Forums became
distinct tools, it's become dangerous to assume their use together,
though I know Indiana does, and heavily. A flag which makes clear this
institutional configuration could provide a useful check for both this
and other imagined new features.

~Clay

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Holladay, Bryan
Andrew<bahollad at indiana.edu> wrote:
> Not with the current version of this tool.  If anyone is interested in this
> feature, this could be customized really quick to remove one of the columns
> based off some property or some how else.
>
> Bryan
>
>
> On 7/30/09 3:52 PM, "Clay Fenlason" <clay.fenlason at et.gatech.edu> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bryan, but there's still the question of the institution which
> doesn't deploy Messages at all - there are quite a few of those.
> Reading between the lines, it sounds like such schools would have a
> big 'Messages' column with 'Nones' running all the way down, which
> could be confusing for users which have no recognition of a 'Messages'
> tool at all. Is there a good way to handle this?
>
> ~Clay
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Holladay, Bryan
> Andrew<bahollad at indiana.edu> wrote:
>> Clay,
>>
>> Thanks for the commendation.  I'm not sure if you were asking the
>> questions
>> or just stating they needed to be answered on the page, so I will post the
>> answers both on this email and the wiki.
>>
>> W hat happens if a school deploys Forums but not Messages? Or vice-versa?
>>
>>    &
>>  2) What happens if a site uses Forums, but not Messages? Or vice-versa?
>>
>> The tool checks to see if each site in the Synoptic Table (where it saves
>> the counts for quick retrieval) has either the messages, forums or the
>> message & forums tool.  A site gets added to the table only if there has
>> been some activity in the messages or forums tool or during the Quartz
>> load
>> job (which also checks each site for these tools).  So if messages or
>> forums
>> or messages&forums tools are not registered for that site, the Site will
>> not
>> show up in the list.  If only the messages or the forums tool has been
>> added
>> to the site, then the one that is missing will have a non-linked "none" in
>> the count column.  This is being done every time the tool is loaded, so if
>> you remove one of these tools, then it will update.  It will also check
>> that
>> the site exists and that it is published.
>>
>>     3) Can this synoptic tool be included with others on a page, or does
>> it need its own?
>>
>> Yes.  We (IU) have our version running on the MyWorkspace Home page.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bryan
>>
>>
>> On 7/30/09 10:20 AM, "Clay Fenlason" <clay.fenlason at et.gatech.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking at another fine example of documentation supporting a new
>> feature (proposed for 2.7) - a new synoptic tool for Messages and
>> Forums [1] . Thanks to Bryan Holladay.
>>
>> It raises a question or two in my mind, though, that I don't see answered
>> there:
>>
>> 1) What happens if a school deploys Forums but not Messages? Or
>> vice-versa?
>> 2) What happens if a site uses Forums, but not Messages? Or vice-versa?
>> 3) Can this synoptic tool be included with others on a page, or does
>> it need its own?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Clay
>>
>> [1] http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/x/HgCZAQ
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