[WG: I18N & L10N] Mexican Spanish issue

Thu Jul 10 13:29:39 PDT 2014

Yeah, that's what would happen. I guess I never paid attention to the lack
of an _fr base. I think we'd want to pick one of them (whichever is more
complete) as the base, and the either the _FR or _CA would be the variants.
Likely the _CA represents Quebec French?

Spanish was more noticeable since we only had an _es in 2.9.x and it was
removed which broke the Colombian and Mexican variants completely. Where it
looks like 2.9.x has both a partially complete fr_FR and fr_CA. (And there
are a lot more Spanish java locales than French)

Maybe Jean-Francois or whoever is managing the French translations has some
additional insight.

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Sam Ottenhoff <ottenhoff at longsight.com>
wrote:

> Sorry for picking up an old-thread, but I'm still confused on this issue.
>  It looks to me like we no longer have just FR translations, we have fr_FR
> and fr_CA.  Example:
>
> login/login-tool/tool/src/bundle/auth_fr_FR.properties
> login/login-tool/tool/src/bundle/auth_fr_CA.properties
>
> This approach seems totally wrong to me, but I'm not an i18n expert.  Why
> is fr_FR not the default here so there is just an auth_fr.properties?
>
> So if I want to create a single override for Belgium-French, then I would
> just make one file with one line for fr_BE.  With the way it is setup now,
> I would need to copy every single fr_FR into fr_BE!  Can someone explain?
>
> --Sam
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Steve Swinsburg <
> steve.swinsburg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Agreed,  there needs to be a base for all major languages that we
> support.  I would like to know the reasons behind moving from es to es_ES,
>  seems a backwards step in context of how locale resolution works.
> >
> > If they are kept in sync then fine but there needs to be a base to cater
> for fallback.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Steve
> >
> > sent from my mobile device
> >
> > On 30/05/2014 2:16 AM, "Matthew Jones" <matthew at longsight.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I honestly would say that's this it's unacceptable to have no default
> es language. What you're saying is the same as if the US community said
> that we wanted to move all of the English translations from en to en_US and
> then have no default fallback language at all in Sakai. That just doesn't
> make any sense at all and it wouldn't happen. As it would break also break
> people who are overriding Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and
> UK.
> >>
> >> It just isn't a good solution for the community.
> >>
> >> If you could somehow change how java does the fallback to go es_* ->
> es_ES -> es then that sounds okay, but I don't know how to do that.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Miguel Carro Pellicer <
> miguel at educlever.es> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> All the spanish community voted to move from "es" to "es_ES" in order
> to avoid conflicts and maintain locales separately, that's why we have done
> the changes.
> >>>
> >>> Miguel.
> >>>
> >>> El 29/05/2014 17:49, Matthew Jones escribió:
> >>>
> >>> Right, the java locale fallback would be to go
> >>>
> >>> es_MX -> es -> en
> >>>
> >>> So without an es the text is just appearing in English. I'd personally
> be happy with either keeping es_ES in sync or just making your files from
> es_ES the default as es and not having an es_ES variation. You could still
> select es_ES from the translation menu in preferences but it would just
> immediately fallback to es. That would eliminate having to do changes twice
> at least. Whatever you decide though.
> >>>
> >>> I think it would be good just in-case other Spanish countries like
> es_CO, es_PR or es_AR, etc decide they also want to support a language with
> only slight variations, for instance. :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Diego del Blanco Orobitg <
> diego.delblanco.sakai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi:
> >>>>
> >>>> As now Spanish (from Spain) is "es_ES" and not "es" (as some time
> ago), when there is not "es_MX" it uses the default (that is english) . I
> think before that "es_MX" searched for "es" when there is not "es_MX" file
> (please, if I'm wrong someone can correct me).
> >>>>
> >>>> So, maybe other solution can be duplicate all the "es_ES" files to
> "es" and have it as basis for all the spanish translations. better than mix
> es_ES with es_MX becuase if we do that, México people won't know what is
> missing or not to translate
> >>>>
> >>>> The problem can be to maintain "es" and "es_ES" because we will need
> to do changes twice... or always duplicate files when we change in
> "es_ES"...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2014-05-29 8:29 GMT-07:00 Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi i18n,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I found a major regression in that Mexican Spanish in 10.0 mostly
> shows
> >>>>> English, except for a few places.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-26268
> >>>>>
> >>>>> FYI - the team is working quickly to get out an 10.0-RC01 (like in
> the
> >>>>> next day or so) , and while i18n issues are not normally considered
> >>>>> blockers, it would be nice to get this one fixed ASAP.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One option could be to hide the es_MX translations in 10.0 until it
> is
> >>>>> fixed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I guess another could be to copy es_ES (Spain) over to es_MX , except
> >>>>> for the few es_MX properties that exist.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Neal
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Neal Caidin
> >>>>> Sakai Community Coordinator
> >>>>> Apereo Foundation
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