[gradebook2-dev] [Building Sakai] gradebook and gradebook2 iRubric integration

[John Bush]

Well here's where I came down on my thinking around externally
provided grades vs something like iRubric.  Things like assignments
and tests and quizzes I think are fundamentally different, they push
grades, and then push grades from the backend, there is no UI
associated with that.  That is different from what you do with a
rubric, you might already have a grade or not, and you are using
another tool to help generate a grade.  If we tried to build this on
top of the external grade stuff, you'd also have an issue that you
wouldn't be able to use irubric to help grade an assignment.

The gb2 work isn't a 100% complete, but you can see where I'm at in this branch:

https://source.sakaiproject.org/contrib/rsmart/msub/gradebook2/branches/CLE-10413/

I'm still trying to remove all the iRubric specific stuff, but its
probably like 80% done.

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jon Gorrono <jpgorrono at ucdavis.edu> wrote:
> This looks pretty good, John.
>
> I have been hoping that we would be able to also increase the
> experience for other score providing tools with all of this.  I wonder
> if that can still be done without going through a long process of
> upgrading them to provide scoring agents per this API from their
> codebase and that we could create an agent for Assignments and for
> Tests&Quizzes, even from within the GB2, or some service component,
> codebase....
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 3:48 PM, John Bush <john.bush at rsmart.com> wrote:
>> I want to circle back around on this thread.  We've gone a differently
>> way than lti, one that more closely resembles how turnitin works in
>> CLE, which I think Sam suggested early on at some point.
>>
>> We've created an abstraction called a ScoringAgent.
>> https://source.sakaiproject.org/svn/msub/rsmart.com/sakai/trunk/scoring-service/
>>
>> The idea is that gradebook2, gradebook, assignments, and whatever else
>> in core sakai would bind to that, in the same way ContentReview
>> service works.
>>
>> Then there is an irubric implementation of a ScoringAgent here:
>> https://source.sakaiproject.org/svn/msub/rsmart.com/sakai/trunk/irubric/
>>
>> We are in the process of refactoring the old iRubric patches to live
>> under the cover of this paradigm.  Which for the most part really
>> won't change the user experience at all.  But is a cleaner and
>> hopefully more acceptable approach to one day including the
>> ScoringAgent service into core.  There would no longer be any patches
>> spread out across various modules.  For anyone, not deploying the
>> irubric impl, nothing would break or seem different in anyway, until
>> you deploy it and turn it on.  We are even keeping the old irubric
>> configuration, so that should make the transition very seamless for
>> anyone already using the patches.
>>
>> We are handling the gradebook2 pieces of this rework now, eventually
>> we'd want to refactor the gradebook1 patches as well.
>>
>> I have a partially working impl now, but there is still more work to
>> be done.  When I have the gb2 work in a reasonable state I'll ask for
>> some more eyes.  I might need a little help from gb2 devs along the
>> way, I'm not much of a gwt expert.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Ramesh Sabetiashraf
>> <ramesh.sabeti at reazon.com> wrote:
>>> We’re playing around with the LTI tool in 2.9 and it seems that the LTI tool
>>> can be configured to tie to a single gradebook item.  Is that a correct
>>> assumption?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ramesh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>> [mailto:sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Charles
>>> Severance
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:19 AM
>>> To: Jon Gorrono
>>> Cc: sakai-dev
>>> Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] gradebook and gradebook2 iRubric integration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The latest LTI code basically has a bunch of API calls that allow tools to
>>> make, manage and launch LTI placements under tool control.  This is in 2.9
>>> and easily ported to 2.8 - the post-2.9 trunk code in LTI has a cleaned up
>>> UI and better integration with Site Info as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is how we made LTI work as a core resource type in LessonBuilder.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> /Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Jon Gorrono wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think this is crazy at all, and is just what I think we had in mind.
>>>
>>> One thing I wanted to add is that the BLTI version that was targetee for 2.8
>>> includes a mechanism for pushing and updating grades, so perhaps a ws
>>> callback would not be necessary. And, IIRC a grade is a number between
>>> 0 and 1 in the spec.
>>>
>>> WRT GB2, there are some basic UI components that Ramesh and crew introduced
>>> in
>>> their coding and those are good ones in general: a button for updating
>>> grades (via a 'pull' or request for a 'push') for one. And those bits
>>> are also relevant to any other tool supplying grades to the sakai
>>> gradebook (edu-services), so the thought was for GB2 to introduce a
>>> general mechanism for handling those things. And that mechanism would be
>>> (and in simpler cases, perhaps not) the BLTI launch mechanism...
>>>
>>>
>>>
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