[samigo-team] use case for curly brackets in text for FIB questions

Tue Feb 25 10:34:03 PST 2014

Hi Samigo team,

I'm following up on an issue Guru Godlaveeti brought up last week, in
regards to how fill-in-the-blank (FIB) questions are created. Here are
the main points:

1. Currently, a blank is created wherever you insert curly
brackets--and what's between the brackets is the correct answer.

2. The problem is what to do if you need curly brackets in your
question text for another purpose, such as for part of a mathematical
equation. In this case, you can't use the brackets, because a blank
will always be created.

3. There was a workaround for this when using the FCKEditor, because
you could provide the HTML code for the brackets in the source code.
The brackets were displayed, but Samigo didn't create blanks for them.

4. With the CKEditor, this workaround is no longer viable, because the
HTML code for brackets is automatically converted. In other words, if
you add the HTML code for brackets in source, leave the source view
and return, you'll see the HTML code is gone and the actual brackets
display.

We've discovered a way to configure the CKEditor so this behavior
doesn't occur by default. But we're still running into a problem on
the Sakai/Samigo end, with the HTML code for the brackets getting
converted. So the original workaround is still not viable.

We'd like to get feedback from others on this issue:

1. Have your faculty brought up this use case? Does the use case
warrant making a code change to Samigo?

2. If we were to make a change, what would be the best approach? One
idea we have is to use double left/right brackets for creating FIBs,
so that single brackets could be used in text.

Thanks in advance!

Best,
Jim Mezzanotte
Asahi Net International

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>    3. Re: Need your valuable suggestions about 'Fill In The Blank'
>       type of questions in Test & Quizzes tool (Aaron Zeckoski)
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> From: "Ramachandran,Narasi" <rnarasi at ufl.edu>
> To: Anand Mehta <anand.mehta at yahoo.com>
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> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 21:01:01 +0000
> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] Respondus LockDown Browser
> Our experience with lock down has been good so far. We have used this with Samigo and Mnene. There are some design difference between the 2, and for ex force completion for Mneme does not work and is not an option for Samigo.
> We have one more strange issue affecting 5% of our users on Mac and pc's that causes a login looping issue and we have not found a solution to this so far (almost a year). The other draw back with the company is that their support model only uses email and I find it hard to deal with them under this model for support.
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> On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:49 PM, "Anand Mehta" <anand.mehta at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> We are looking into integrating Respondus LockDown Browser with Sakai (2.9.2 on Win2K8 & Oracle 10g). Can you please share your experience regarding the implementation process and usage of the lockdown browser?
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> So far we are aware of this conversation - http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.sakai.devel/50150 and this JIRA - https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAM-2198. Any additional thoughts, concerns or gotchas will be greatly appreciated.
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> To: samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Cc: suresh kolpuru <suresh.kolpuru at ityug.com>, aravind nakka <aravind.venkata at vidyayug.com>
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:13:22 +0530
> Subject: [samigo-team] Need your valuable suggestions about 'Fill In The Blank' type of questions in Test & Quizzes tool
>
> Hi Samigo Team,
>
>
>
> Sub: Need your valuable suggestions to full fill ANI ( Asahi Net International)  client requirement
>
>
>
> This is Guru (Ityug Team) working from India for Asahi Net International (ANI).
>
>
>
> Requirement: One of ANI client requirement is to use curly braces ({,})in his question as below.
>
>
>
> Example :
>
> x is 2 & y is 10 then what is the value of below formula?
>
> {(x+y)2/10}/(x+y)3   = {20}
>
>
>
> Right now Samigo tool is considering curly braces as a blank which is making the above question in undesirable format by making blank in the place of curly braces.
>
>
>
> As per client requirement he wants to use curly braces where ever needed to give more clarity while framing questions.
>
>
>
> The below is one of the approach which I thought so please provide your comments and any suggestions are most welcomed to full fill the client requirements.
>
>
>
> My opinion:
>
>
>
> It became as show stopper for client to use '{' & '}' in his question, same thing will happen even if he use the combination of '(',')' and '[',']'. So I think it's better to have one pattern for making the blank place & getting answers from questions also.
>
>
>
> Example: pattern is '{AND:' and '}'
>
> x is 2 & y is 10 then what is the value of below formula?
>
> {(x+y)2/10}/(x+y)3   = {ANS:20}
>
>
>
> I feel we can overcome this problem by doing like this.
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Gurumurthy Godlaveeti,
>
> +91 81 21 253011
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Aaron Zeckoski <azeckoski at unicon.net>
> To: Gurumurthy Godlaveeti <gurumurthy.godlaveeti at vidyayug.com>
> Cc: suresh kolpuru <suresh.kolpuru at ityug.com>, aravind nakka <aravind.venkata at vidyayug.com>, "samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org" <samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:03:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] Need your valuable suggestions about 'Fill In The Blank' type of questions in Test & Quizzes tool
> Are you referring to the calculated question type here? If so, the '{'
> and '}' chars have special meaning and you cannot change that without
> disrupting all existing questions and rewriting major parts of the
> code (both of those are non-starters in my opinion).
>
> If you are referring to another question type then you may want to
> indicate which one.
> -AZ
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Gurumurthy Godlaveeti
> <gurumurthy.godlaveeti at vidyayug.com> wrote:
>> Hi Samigo Team,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sub: Need your valuable suggestions to full fill ANI ( Asahi Net
>> International)  client requirement
>>
>>
>>
>> This is Guru (Ityug Team) working from India for Asahi Net International
>> (ANI).
>>
>>
>>
>> Requirement: One of ANI client requirement is to use curly braces ({,})in
>> his question as below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Example :
>>
>> x is 2 & y is 10 then what is the value of below formula?
>>
>> {(x+y)2/10}/(x+y)3   = {20}
>>
>>
>>
>> Right now Samigo tool is considering curly braces as a blank which is making
>> the above question in undesirable format by making blank in the place of
>> curly braces.
>>
>>
>>
>> As per client requirement he wants to use curly braces where ever needed to
>> give more clarity while framing questions.
>>
>>
>>
>> The below is one of the approach which I thought so please provide your
>> comments and any suggestions are most welcomed to full fill the client
>> requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>> My opinion:
>>
>>
>>
>> It became as show stopper for client to use '{' & '}' in his question, same
>> thing will happen even if he use the combination of '(',')' and '[',']'. So
>> I think it's better to have one pattern for making the blank place & getting
>> answers from questions also.
>>
>>
>>
>> Example: pattern is '{AND:' and '}'
>>
>> x is 2 & y is 10 then what is the value of below formula?
>>
>> {(x+y)2/10}/(x+y)3   = {ANS:20}
>>
>>
>>
>> I feel we can overcome this problem by doing like this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks & Regards,
>>
>> Gurumurthy Godlaveeti,
>>
>> +91 81 21 253011
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> samigo-team mailing list
>> samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org
>> http://collab.sakaiproject.org/mailman/listinfo/samigo-team
>>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Brooke Biltimier <bbiltimier at anisakai.com>
> To: Aaron Zeckoski <azeckoski at unicon.net>
> Cc: suresh kolpuru <suresh.kolpuru at ityug.com>, Gurumurthy Godlaveeti <gurumurthy.godlaveeti at vidyayug.com>, aravind nakka <aravind.venkata at vidyayug.com>, "samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org" <samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 09:31:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [samigo-team] Need your valuable suggestions about 'Fill In The Blank' type of questions in Test & Quizzes tool
> He is referring to the Fill in the blank question type.  In
> FCKEditory, the user used to be able to use HTML code in source. But
> now CKEditor automatically converts curly brackets created with HTML
> code into actual brackets--i.e., if you insert the code in source,
> leave source, and return to source, the HTML code will be gone and
> you'll just see the brackets.
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Aaron Zeckoski <azeckoski at unicon.net> wrote:
>> Are you referring to the calculated question type here? If so, the '{'
>> and '}' chars have special meaning and you cannot change that without
>> disrupting all existing questions and rewriting major parts of the
>> code (both of those are non-starters in my opinion).
>>
>> If you are referring to another question type then you may want to
>> indicate which one.
>> -AZ
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Gurumurthy Godlaveeti
>> <gurumurthy.godlaveeti at vidyayug.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Samigo Team,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sub: Need your valuable suggestions to full fill ANI ( Asahi Net
>>> International)  client requirement
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is Guru (Ityug Team) working from India for Asahi Net International
>>> (ANI).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Requirement: One of ANI client requirement is to use curly braces ({,})in
>>> his question as below.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Example :
>>>
>>> x is 2 & y is 10 then what is the value of below formula?
>>>
>>> {(x+y)2/10}/(x+y)3   = {20}
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Right now Samigo tool is considering curly braces as a blank which is making
>>> the above question in undesirable format by making blank in the place of
>>> curly braces.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As per client requirement he wants to use curly braces where ever needed to
>>> give more clarity while framing questions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The below is one of the approach which I thought so please provide your
>>> comments and any suggestions are most welcomed to full fill the client
>>> requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My opinion:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It became as show stopper for client to use '{' & '}' in his question, same
>>> thing will happen even if he use the combination of '(',')' and '[',']'. So
>>> I think it's better to have one pattern for making the blank place & getting
>>> answers from questions also.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Example: pattern is '{AND:' and '}'
>>>
>>> x is 2 & y is 10 then what is the value of below formula?
>>>
>>> {(x+y)2/10}/(x+y)3   = {ANS:20}
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I feel we can overcome this problem by doing like this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>
>>> Gurumurthy Godlaveeti,
>>>
>>> +91 81 21 253011
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> samigo-team mailing list
>>> samigo-team at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>> http://collab.sakaiproject.org/mailman/listinfo/samigo-team
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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