[sakai2-tcc] Planning for Sakai 2.10 and beyond

[Nate Angell]

Opps, Chuck, not Chick, sorry about that ;)

= nate

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Nate Angell <nangell at rsmart.com> wrote:
> Chick: You have many strong words, some of which are right and some
> wrong, but rehashing the failure of the PC will do nothing to move
> anything forward.
>
> I move we all drop further discussion of that chapter and only talk
> about what we are going to do next.
>
> = nate
>
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Charles Severance <csev at umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Nate Angell wrote:
>>
>> While I agree that the formation of the Product Council was ineffective, a
>> quick look at its membership shows that nearly all members were from
>> stakeholder institutions putting substantial resources into Sakai—so that
>> point is not why the PC didn't work. Also, the folks on the PC had Sakai's
>> best interests at heart, just like other bodies such a the TCC. I tire of
>> hearing the PC characterized as some sort of conspiracy. Let's talk about
>> what we will do (thanks Steve!) rather than make up fake stories to
>> illustrate what we won't do.
>>
>> Original PC members:
>>
>> Nate Angell, rSmart
>>
>> Noah Botimer, UM
>>
>> Eli Cochran, UCB
>>
>> Michael Feldstein, Oracle (at the time)
>>
>> Clay Fenlason, GT
>>
>> David Goodrum, IU
>>
>> John A. Lewis, Unicon
>>
>> Stephen Marquard, UCT
>>
>> John Norman, Cambridge
>>
>> Max Whitney, NYU
>>
>>
>> Nate -
>>
>> The reason that the PC did not work is that its creation was solving a
>> political problem where the pro-OAE members of the community were trying to
>> stamp out the CLE efforts.   Trying to force the end-of-life of the CLE.
>> The way the PC was formed was hand-picked political appointees selected by
>> the former ED whose publicly stated goal at the time was to end-of-life the
>> CLE.   Other than two token appointments to create an appearance of OAE-CLE
>> balance, the members are straight from the OAE fan club member list circa
>> 2010.
>>
>> The group was charged with thinking broadly about the global priorities of
>> the Sakai community.  I am sure that all the members of the PC felt that
>> they were thinking broadly and looking at things in a balanced manner, but
>> the net result of the actions of the PC was "hands off" the OAE and loved
>> everything the OAE did and pretty much threw a wet blanket on the CLE for
>> the entire the lifetime of the PC.
>>
>> It was not a "conspiracy" - it was just a bad idea.   Any time you create
>> governance with authority but no responsibility and let them run around and
>> set policies and directions over resources that don't belong to them - it
>> goes pear-shaped.
>>
>> /Chuck
>>
>>
>>
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