[sakai2-tcc] Planning for Sakai 2.10 and beyond

[Nate Angell]

I agree with Steve and Chuck that the time now is for action and I believe that part of that action should include establishing and communicating priorities. Someone has to do that. 

Passionate arguments would be more convincing if they were less insulting and more true to the facts. 

While I agree that the formation of the Product Council was ineffective, a quick look at its membership shows that nearly all members were from stakeholder institutions putting substantial resources into Sakai―so that point is not why the PC didn't work. Also, the folks on the PC had Sakai's best interests at heart, just like other bodies such a the TCC. I tire of hearing the PC characterized as some sort of conspiracy. Let's talk about what we will do (thanks Steve!) rather than make up fake stories to illustrate what we won't do. 

Original PC members:
Nate Angell, rSmart

Noah Botimer, UM

Eli Cochran, UCB

Michael Feldstein, Oracle (at the time)

Clay Fenlason, GT

David Goodrum, IU

John A. Lewis, Unicon

Stephen Marquard, UCT

John Norman, Cambridge

Max Whitney, NYU


= nate

On Sep 24, 2012, at 8:28 AM, Charles Severance <csev at umich.edu> wrote:

> 
> On Sep 24, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Steve Swinsburg wrote:
> 
>> Also, no need to get personal. I raised an issue which I feel is important for this project to survive, a matter informed by recent events, discussions and reflections. If the cancellation of two regional Sakai conferences and a bunch of major institutions dropping their involvement isnt a wake up call to us all, I don't know what is.
> 
> Steve - it is not personal regarding you but it is personal for me.   I have sat by since 2007 and allowed various ill-fated initiatives go forward without strong comment from me to see if they could be successful - to see if I was wrong and that I just would not allow these management driven initiatives work.   Now we have seen them fail so many times.
> 
> Recent events *are* a wake up call.  They are a wakeup call that management layers are a bad idea.
> 
> Funny how the one thing that is working well in the entire Sakai community is the one thing that *does not* have a management layer - the CLE.    And now you are advocating that we add a management layer.
> 
> The wake up call is that management layers made up of non-contributing stakeholders are a bad idea.  
> 
> /Chuck
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