[Using Sakai] Sakai Turnitin Integration

Wed Feb 25 15:25:23 PST 2015

Hi, Karen, Tyler...

Our goal in designing VeriCite was to create a simple and focused service
for plagiarism detection that is reliable and instant, with a stable
integration with the LMS.    VeriCite is meant to be a learning tool that
helps the instructor initiate the conversations with students about
intellectual property rights.

VeriCite handles grading and commenting, and passes these data back to the
Gradebook.  If you've not tried it lately, take another look. We're
constantly moving forward with client-driven improvements to VeriCite which
you can watch at https://updates.vericite.com.  We considered additional
features for grading.  Virtually every LMS provides grading tools and we
intentionally decided not to add anything that competes with the host LMS
for grade management, which can be confusing.

The technical methods used in VeriCite are different than those used by
other services and so we might not expect VeriCite scoring to match
precisely in head-to-head tests.   Clearly, they should be similar,
however, so we appreciate your feedback.   We're adding about four million
sites per day to the VeriCite index of public resources.

VeriCite includes a separate and private comparative repository for papers
submitted by each subscribing client institution.    We can "seed" this
private repository with papers that have been submitted through your LMS
historically.   This quickly improves the levels of matching, especially
since it relates specifically to your academic programs.   And finally,
we're working to index content that is licensed from publishers into
VeriCite (journals, periodicals, texts).  We've talked with publishers and
are even exploring means of indexing content that is licensed on a
per-institution basis.

So stay tuned!   There's more in the works for VeriCite.

Thanks.

   Scott

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Karen McPhaul <mcphaulk at durhamtech.edu>
wrote:

>  Tyler, thanks for starting this conversation. VeriCite does
> sound promising, but the loss of Turnitin's Grademark functionality would
> be huge for a number of our faculty as well. It was disappointing but
> helpful to learn that Turnitin’s LTI option is horrible. I have not had a
> chance to try it yet, but had been banking on the hope that it could be a
> solution for us.
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> Karen
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> Karen McPhaul
> Senior Director, Instructional Technologies
> 919-536-7200 ext 5903
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> *Durham Technical Community College *Durham, North Carolina
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> *From:* sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:
> sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] *On Behalf Of *Tyler Beason
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 4:32 PM
> *To:* Charles Hedrick
> *Cc:* sakai-turnitin at apereo.org; sakai-user
> *Subject:* Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai Turnitin Integration
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> Thank you all for your insight.
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> We ran a small pilot of VeriCite in the fall. For how young the program
> is, I think it is quite promising. It includes a list of things that
> Turnitin does not have (including, in the near future, a working Sakai
> integration). However, we would lose the GradeMark feature of Turnitin,
> which is something that many faculty use here. Additionally, we haven't
> found the matches to be as trustworthy as they were with Turnitin. That
> problem may very well fix itself over time, but in comparing the tools as
> they stand currently, Vericite didn't seem to do the job that Turnitin does.
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> It is very disappointing that Turnitin would essentially drop Sakai
> support entirely. From testing their current LTI offering, it is simply
> unusable. If you haven't tested it, please go take a look and see how
> horrible it is. I agree with Marilyn that we need to put pressure on
> Turnitin to continue to use this API until they have another workable
> solution put in place.
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> Thanks again,
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> Tyler
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>    Tyler Beason
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> Graduate Assistant, Instructional Design & Learning Technologies (IDLT)
> Ext. 2344
> Bradley University Quantitative Finance (MSQF) student
>
> Check out my quant finance blog! TBeason.com <http://tbeason.com>
> Cell: (217) 273-5357
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> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu>
> wrote:
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>  I would agree that LTI support isn’t going to work for us. If it looks
> like API support will vanish in 2015, we’ll have no choice but to move to
> Vericite.
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>   On Feb 20, 2015, at 5:07 AM, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> I have CCd this to the sakai-turnitin at apereo.com list which is a mail
> listed dedicated to TuirnItIn. I would recommend that anybody who is
> interested should join. There’s also a corresponding Confluence page:
> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/TII/Home
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> I’ve been in contact with iParadigms quite a lot recently. We too have
> been expressing our disquiet at their plans to try to get everybody to use
> the LTI tool as opposed to the tight integration that we currently have
> with the Assignments tool. The current way of working works very well for
> us and the LTI route simple will not cut the mustard.
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> To be fair, we haven’t looked at the LTI tool yet but for us the main
> issue is that Faculty only route essays via TII some of the time. It is
> simply not practical to tell people to only use the LTI tool when they want
> the essay checked - the students will hate it too: nobody will know which
> tool to use and confusion will reign.
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> iParadigms have said that the LTI tool will have extensions so that more
> info can be passed between systems but as far as we can tell, these
> extensions wont cover the full gamut of options that are currently provided.
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> The current API used by Sakai isn’t the latest API – nobody has told me an
> exact date when this API will vanish but we are sure that its days are
> numbered.
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> Oxford has a half-complete integration with the ”new API” (known as TS2)
> but iParadigms are trying to discourage us from completing it. Up to now we
> haven’t actually had any time to spend on the coding but this should change
> in a couple of months. If we are able to continue then any offers of help
> would be greatly appreciated.
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> We are in the process of organising a phone conference with iParadigms to
> try to work – this should happen in the next 2-3 weeks – we’ve had a bit of
> trouble finding a mutually acceptable date and time. Once we’ve had the
> chat I will post a summary to the sakai-turnitin list and we can see where
> we all stand.
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> Aside from the problems with the API, many institutions in the UK are
> thoroughly dissatisfied with iParadigms – the service has had some notable
> outages recently and their communications strategy is possibly the worst
> I’ve even encountered. Their helpdesk has gone down the pan too.
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> Adam
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> ** Note change of email address to adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk **
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> Dr A C Marshall, WebLearn Service Manager, University of Oxford.
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> IT Services, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford. OX2 6NN.
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> *From:* sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [
> mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
> <sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org>] *On Behalf Of *Tyler Beason
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 20:10
> *To:* sakai-user
> *Subject:* [Using Sakai] Sakai Turnitin Integration
>
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> Hello all,
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> Turnitin has informed us that their API will be discontinued at some point
> during 2015, which is a shame as that is how we use Turnitin here at
> Bradley. Unfortunately, we have found the Turnitin Sakai LTI tool to be
> lackluster (being extremely polite here) and it will not be an option we
> consider using in the future. I am sure we cannot be the only school that
> is currently in limbo here with Turnitin, what are some of your
> institutions looking to use after Turnitin kills their API?
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> Thanks,
>
> Tyler
>
>
>     Tyler Beason
>
> Graduate Assistant, Instructional Design & Learning Technologies (IDLT)
> Ext. 2344
> Bradley University Quantitative Finance (MSQF) student
>
> Check out my quant finance blog! TBeason.com <http://tbeason.com/>
>
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