[Using Sakai] Permission to make Resource Public

Fri Feb 1 08:05:21 PST 2013

Jim,

Thank you for the research and response.  I created
https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-23191 for this issue.  Please
comment/contribute if desired or if I am not clear.

Thank you,

Louis

On 2/1/13 7:48 AM, "Jim Mezzanotte" <jmezzanotte at rsmart.com> wrote:

>Hi Louis,
>
>I've done some additional testing, and I don't see any unintended side
>effects for granting the "realm.upd" permission. This permission is
>typically enabled when the "site.upd" permission is also enabled. The
>"site.upd" permission (enabled for site owners/instructors) gives
>users a large set of capabilities, and permissions such as "realm.upd"
>are the only way to provide some granularity.
>
>So even if you have "site.upd" enabled, you'll need "realm.upd" to
>change user permissions via tool UI. And if you only enable
>"realm.upd" (and not also "site.upd"), you'll have no access to
>permissions in tools--so it's safe to enable "realm.upd" for students.
>Still, I would recommend first enabling "realm.upd" in a test site, so
>you can confirm no additional abilities for students.
>
>By the way, there is another approach, if you want to edit the realm
>of a particular site: you can edit the realm for a specific Resources
>folder, and enable "realm.upd" only in that realm. Then, students will
>only be able to change an item to public access if it's in that
>folder.
>
>Lastly, there is one potential downside to enabling "edit any
>resource" and/or "edit own resources" permission, if you do not also
>enable the "read hidden resources" permission: a student could set an
>item to be hidden--and then no longer see the item.
>
>Best,
>Jim Mezzanotte
>rSmart
>
>On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Algaze, Louis Contractor, eDataTech
><ljalgaze at nps.edu> wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> Thank you for your reply.
>>
>> Does adding this permission for the student role in the realms tool give
>> any additional, possibly unwanted, permissions in the site of is this
>>all
>> the student will be able to change.
>>
>>  Thank you,
>>
>> Louis
>>
>> On 1/31/13 9:24 AM, "Jim Mezzanotte" <jmezzanotte at rsmart.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Louis,
>>>
>>>This behavior is actually related to an additional permission that you
>>>can only access via the Realms tool in the Admin workspace (and not
>>>via the Resources tool UI):
>>>
>>>realm.upd
>>>
>>>With this permission enabled, students can set a Resources item to
>>>public.
>>>
>>>When you change an item to public access, a separate group realm gets
>>>created for that item. If you then change an item's access from public
>>>back to "this site only" or a section/group, this group realm is
>>>deleted. So, you may want to consider also enabling the following
>>>permission:
>>>
>>>realm.del
>>>
>>>If you only enable "realm.upd" for students, and not also "realm.del,"
>>>students will be able to change an item's access to public, but they
>>>will not be able to change access back to "site only" or a
>>>section/group.
>>>
>>>>From what I can tell, enabling one or both of these permissions for
>>>students shouldn't have an impact on any other behavior (though I
>>>would still recommend changing permissions first in a test site before
>>>making global changes). These permissions are tied to others (such as
>>>"site.upd") that students would typically never have.
>>>
>>>I agree that a design change would be good here, if possible--the
>>>ideal scenario would be that users don't see the "public" setting at
>>>all if they don't have these additional permissions.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>Jim Mezzanotte
>>>rSmart
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:00 PM,
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>>>> From: "Algaze, Louis Contractor, eDataTech" <ljalgaze at nps.edu>
>>>> Subject: [Using Sakai] Permission to make Resource Public
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>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> We are using rSmart's Sakai version 2.8.4 and I have a permissions
>>>>question about making Resources Public with which I'm hoping someone
>>>>could assist.
>>>>
>>>> It seems as if a student, given the Edit Own and/or Edit Any Resource
>>>>permission can access the Edit Details page of that resource, but if
>>>>that person chooses the option to make the resource Public, no changes
>>>>are made.  Is this a bug or by design?
>>>>
>>>> If by design it would probably be clearer if they did not see the
>>>>option to make the resource public.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Louis
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