[Using Sakai] [Building Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major development

Tue Apr 16 06:52:59 PDT 2013

Pursuant to this post, we have now been informed by iParadigms that despite what the agreement we were sent says, "There is no fee for the sakai community. The version I sent you is a standard version.  Some things will be amended such as the fees and paymet section." I have no idea whether this statement applies to rSmart / Longsight / Unicon et al.

Apologies for my misleading previous message.

adam

From: sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Adam Marshall
Sent: 16 April 2013 13:29
To: Sakai-Dev (sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org); Sakai-Mailinglist Sakai Project
Cc: John Bush
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major development

We now have the iParadigms ConnectedIn agreement that must be signed before iParadigms will release details of the new API / SDK. In other words, the agreement must be signed (and the fee license paid) before we can start doing any programming work.
It is not particularly clear but I am guessing the agreement is to be signed and the $5K per year license fee paid by Apereo/Sakai rather than every institution that wants to use the integration code. The agreement seems to be targeted at commercial companies rather than individual institutions.
We are in the process of asking iParadigms if we have permission to circulate the agreement more widely and when we do it would be good to get a consensus as to what Apereo as a whole intends to do.
Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: John Bush [mailto:john.bush at rsmart.com]
Sent: 11 February 2013 17:24
To: Steve Swinsburg; Adam Marshall
Cc: Charles Hedrick; sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>; Sakai-Dev
Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major development

FYI, we received this response from Turnitin folks when we inquired about some of the concerns that have been discussed in this thread.

-------------------------

Our apologies for the confusion and concern that has been generated in the Sakai community. The Turnitin team does not have any formal plans to generate a new version of a Sakai integration, nor
retire our support for any current integrations. Internally we have
begun discussing whether an LTI design/option would be desirable to the Sakai community, and this information was miscommunicated externally. We are also considering if we will offer code that leverages the Turnitin Java SDK, being launched this spring. We will will work with the Sakai community to determine the best course of action.

Further, we will continue to support all integrations on our legacy API for the time being. We expect it will take a couple years for our customers and partners to migrate to one of our new tools. As such, we have no timeline for formal retirement of our support for the legacy API. When we do begin to end of life our legacy API, we will be communicating with our integrators at least a year in advance.

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Thank you,

Ashley Ronen

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Some time ago, and probably on the same TII API, I wrote an integration for a different assignment service which was just what you describe. There was no assignment synchronisation between client and TII, everything went to the one 'global' assignment in TII for the institution, and the client end didn't care. All it saw was the score of a document that had been checked, and or its status for checking. No one ever went to the TII interface for the assignment, everyone went through the client. So unless they have made things more difficult, this sort of integration is pretty simple.
>
> cheers,
> Steve
>
>
> On 23/01/2013, at 2:15 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu<mailto:hedrick at rutgers.edu>> wrote:
>
>> I agree that the kind of LTI support they're talking about would not be of interest to us. Does anyone have good enough contact to find documentation for the new API? It sounds to me like the Sakai community will have to write support for it. I agree that it probably shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>> I don't much like the current integration, but I suspect that the new one will be just as bad. What we really want is for them just to check documents. Synchronizing our assignments with their is a never-ending source of trouble. I'd rather see an integration that just sends documents and gets back reports.
>>
>> Are there any other services with similar functionality?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David Horwitz <david.horwitz at uct.ac.za<mailto:david.horwitz at uct.ac.za>> wrote:
>>
>>> First I've heard of this - iParadigm did a fair amount of work on
>>> Content Review last year so this surprises me ...
>>>
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:44 +0000, Adam Marshall wrote:
>>>> It depends what you mean by "the new API".
>>>>
>>>> They are currently writing a "brand new API" which will replace the current API. By all accounts it doesn't have the same Service endpoints so the code that Sakai uses to talk to Turnitin will have to be rewritten. I have no idea whether this a big or small job.
>>>>
>>>> The current API will be withdrawn at some point.
>>>>
>>>> adam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Steve Swinsburg [mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 22 January 2013 12:28
>>>> To: Adam Marshall
>>>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major
>>>> development
>>>>
>>>> Surely an integration could be written for the new API, they aren't withdrawing that as well are they? That would be suicide.
>>>>
>>>> The integration only needs to be fairly lightweight, doesn't sound like a huge task.
>>>>
>>>> The LTI option doesn't sound great, most LMS's would have an assignments tool already, why embed another one when what you really want is an integration!?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 22/01/2013, at 22:05, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk<mailto:adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I sent this to sakai-dev yesterday but got absolutely no response so thought I would post it here to open up discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I understand it there will come a time in the near future when iParadigms withdraw the current Content Review API which will mean there will be no Turnitin integration with either Assignments 1 or Assignments 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like iParadigms will recommend that we use IMS LTI to achieve integration.
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of this is that if one wants to check for plagiarism, then one will have to set up assignments within the Turnitin site. This will mean no calendar integration and two separate 'Assignment tools': there will be the current Assignments Tool (with no content review) and a new LTI Tool with plagiarism checking but no Calendar or other Sakai integration. For assignments that use the content review service, students will still be able to submit their assignment by clicking on a link in Sakai but will end up outside of Sakai on the Turnitin site.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sakai community needs a plan - does anybody have any comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> adam
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>> We asked iParadigms:
>>>>>
>>>>> [....] please could you let me know what the progress is on the development of the new TII API, and what date you envisage it will be available.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to plan what aspects of the current Sakai integration we should work on, and schedule when we will be able to test against the new TII API.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also just a reminder that the EuroSakai conference is taking place in Paris next week (28-30 Jan), and our team will be organising a 'Birds of a Feather' session to talk about the Sakai Assignments tools 1 and 2. It would be good to have more concrete information about the new TII API and what the improvements will be.
>>>>>
>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>> They responded:
>>>>>
>>>>> Progress has been very good and the new API is still currently scheduled to be launched towards the end of next month/beginning of March. However we will not be re-writing the Sakai integration against the new API as such, we will be writing an LTI component (IMS global standard) for the new Sakai integration and this is in the plan for this summer! So in around 6 months time. I hope this will fit into your plans as we would advise against doing any custom work, due to our plans for LTI with a view to release in the summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately that probably won't be possible to send someone. I can still speak to the team though and let you know otherwise if we can. I am at the BETT show on those dates so won't be able to attend.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Harnor
>>>>> Business Development Manager
>>>>>
>>>>> Turnitin is a Registered product of iParadigms Europe Limited which is a wholly owned subsidiary of iParadigms LLC. iParadigms Europe Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 07321841.
>>>>>
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Some time ago, and probably on the same TII API, I wrote an integration for a different assignment service which was just what you describe. There was no assignment synchronisation between client and TII, everything went to the one 'global' assignment in TII for the institution, and the client end didn't care. All it saw was the score of a document that had been checked, and or its status for checking. No one ever went to the TII interface for the assignment, everyone went through the client. So unless they have made things more difficult, this sort of integration is pretty simple.
>
> cheers,
> Steve
>
>
> On 23/01/2013, at 2:15 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu<mailto:hedrick at rutgers.edu>> wrote:
>
>> I agree that the kind of LTI support they're talking about would not be of interest to us. Does anyone have good enough contact to find documentation for the new API? It sounds to me like the Sakai community will have to write support for it. I agree that it probably shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>> I don't much like the current integration, but I suspect that the new one will be just as bad. What we really want is for them just to check documents. Synchronizing our assignments with their is a never-ending source of trouble. I'd rather see an integration that just sends documents and gets back reports.
>>
>> Are there any other services with similar functionality?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David Horwitz <david.horwitz at uct.ac.za<mailto:david.horwitz at uct.ac.za>> wrote:
>>
>>> First I've heard of this - iParadigm did a fair amount of work on
>>> Content Review last year so this surprises me ...
>>>
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:44 +0000, Adam Marshall wrote:
>>>> It depends what you mean by "the new API".
>>>>
>>>> They are currently writing a "brand new API" which will replace the current API. By all accounts it doesn't have the same Service endpoints so the code that Sakai uses to talk to Turnitin will have to be rewritten. I have no idea whether this a big or small job.
>>>>
>>>> The current API will be withdrawn at some point.
>>>>
>>>> adam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Steve Swinsburg [mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 22 January 2013 12:28
>>>> To: Adam Marshall
>>>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major
>>>> development
>>>>
>>>> Surely an integration could be written for the new API, they aren't withdrawing that as well are they? That would be suicide.
>>>>
>>>> The integration only needs to be fairly lightweight, doesn't sound like a huge task.
>>>>
>>>> The LTI option doesn't sound great, most LMS's would have an assignments tool already, why embed another one when what you really want is an integration!?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 22/01/2013, at 22:05, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk<mailto:adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I sent this to sakai-dev yesterday but got absolutely no response so thought I would post it here to open up discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I understand it there will come a time in the near future when iParadigms withdraw the current Content Review API which will mean there will be no Turnitin integration with either Assignments 1 or Assignments 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like iParadigms will recommend that we use IMS LTI to achieve integration.
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of this is that if one wants to check for plagiarism, then one will have to set up assignments within the Turnitin site. This will mean no calendar integration and two separate 'Assignment tools': there will be the current Assignments Tool (with no content review) and a new LTI Tool with plagiarism checking but no Calendar or other Sakai integration. For assignments that use the content review service, students will still be able to submit their assignment by clicking on a link in Sakai but will end up outside of Sakai on the Turnitin site.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sakai community needs a plan - does anybody have any comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> adam
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>> We asked iParadigms:
>>>>>
>>>>> [....] please could you let me know what the progress is on the development of the new TII API, and what date you envisage it will be available.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to plan what aspects of the current Sakai integration we should work on, and schedule when we will be able to test against the new TII API.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also just a reminder that the EuroSakai conference is taking place in Paris next week (28-30 Jan), and our team will be organising a 'Birds of a Feather' session to talk about the Sakai Assignments tools 1 and 2. It would be good to have more concrete information about the new TII API and what the improvements will be.
>>>>>
>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>> They responded:
>>>>>
>>>>> Progress has been very good and the new API is still currently scheduled to be launched towards the end of next month/beginning of March. However we will not be re-writing the Sakai integration against the new API as such, we will be writing an LTI component (IMS global standard) for the new Sakai integration and this is in the plan for this summer! So in around 6 months time. I hope this will fit into your plans as we would advise against doing any custom work, due to our plans for LTI with a view to release in the summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately that probably won't be possible to send someone. I can still speak to the team though and let you know otherwise if we can. I am at the BETT show on those dates so won't be able to attend.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> --
>>>>> Mark Harnor
>>>>> Business Development Manager
>>>>>
>>>>> Turnitin is a Registered product of iParadigms Europe Limited which is a wholly owned subsidiary of iParadigms LLC. iParadigms Europe Limited is a company registered in England and Wales with company number 07321841.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Some time ago, and probably on the same TII API, I wrote an integration for a different assignment service which was just what you describe. There was no assignment synchronisation between client and TII, everything went to the one 'global' assignment in TII for the institution, and the client end didn't care. All it saw was the score of a document that had been checked, and or its status for checking. No one ever went to the TII interface for the assignment, everyone went through the client. So unless they have made things more difficult, this sort of integration is pretty simple.
>
> cheers,
> Steve
>
>
> On 23/01/2013, at 2:15 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu<mailto:hedrick at rutgers.edu>> wrote:
>
>> I agree that the kind of LTI support they're talking about would not be of interest to us. Does anyone have good enough contact to find documentation for the new API? It sounds to me like the Sakai community will have to write support for it. I agree that it probably shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>> I don't much like the current integration, but I suspect that the new one will be just as bad. What we really want is for them just to check documents. Synchronizing our assignments with their is a never-ending source of trouble. I'd rather see an integration that just sends documents and gets back reports.
>>
>> Are there any other services with similar functionality?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David Horwitz <david.horwitz at uct.ac.za<mailto:david.horwitz at uct.ac.za>> wrote:
>>
>>> First I've heard of this - iParadigm did a fair amount of work on
>>> Content Review last year so this surprises me ...
>>>
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:44 +0000, Adam Marshall wrote:
>>>> It depends what you mean by "the new API".
>>>>
>>>> They are currently writing a "brand new API" which will replace the current API. By all accounts it doesn't have the same Service endpoints so the code that Sakai uses to talk to Turnitin will have to be rewritten. I have no idea whether this a big or small job.
>>>>
>>>> The current API will be withdrawn at some point.
>>>>
>>>> adam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Steve Swinsburg [mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 22 January 2013 12:28
>>>> To: Adam Marshall
>>>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major
>>>> development
>>>>
>>>> Surely an integration could be written for the new API, they aren't withdrawing that as well are they? That would be suicide.
>>>>
>>>> The integration only needs to be fairly lightweight, doesn't sound like a huge task.
>>>>
>>>> The LTI option doesn't sound great, most LMS's would have an assignments tool already, why embed another one when what you really want is an integration!?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 22/01/2013, at 22:05, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk<mailto:adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I sent this to sakai-dev yesterday but got absolutely no response so thought I would post it here to open up discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I understand it there will come a time in the near future when iParadigms withdraw the current Content Review API which will mean there will be no Turnitin integration with either Assignments 1 or Assignments 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like iParadigms will recommend that we use IMS LTI to achieve integration.
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of this is that if one wants to check for plagiarism, then one will have to set up assignments within the Turnitin site. This will mean no calendar integration and two separate 'Assignment tools': there will be the current Assignments Tool (with no content review) and a new LTI Tool with plagiarism checking but no Calendar or other Sakai integration. For assignments that use the content review service, students will still be able to submit their assignment by clicking on a link in Sakai but will end up outside of Sakai on the Turnitin site.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sakai community needs a plan - does anybody have any comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> adam
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>> We asked iParadigms:
>>>>>
>>>>> [....] please could you let me know what the progress is on the development of the new TII API, and what date you envisage it will be available.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to plan what aspects of the current Sakai integration we should work on, and schedule when we will be able to test against the new TII API.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also just a reminder that the EuroSakai conference is taking place in Paris next week (28-30 Jan), and our team will be organising a 'Birds of a Feather' session to talk about the Sakai Assignments tools 1 and 2. It would be good to have more concrete information about the new TII API and what the improvements will be.
>>>>>
>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>> They responded:
>>>>>
>>>>> Progress has been very good and the new API is still currently scheduled to be launched towards the end of next month/beginning of March. However we will not be re-writing the Sakai integration against the new API as such, we will be writing an LTI component (IMS global standard) for the new Sakai integration and this is in the plan for this summer! So in around 6 months time. I hope this will fit into your plans as we would advise against doing any custom work, due to our plans for LTI with a view to release in the summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately that probably won't be possible to send someone. I can still speak to the team though and let you know otherwise if we can. I am at the BETT show on those dates so won't be able to attend.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Steve Swinsburg <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com<mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Some time ago, and probably on the same TII API, I wrote an integration for a different assignment service which was just what you describe. There was no assignment synchronisation between client and TII, everything went to the one 'global' assignment in TII for the institution, and the client end didn't care. All it saw was the score of a document that had been checked, and or its status for checking. No one ever went to the TII interface for the assignment, everyone went through the client. So unless they have made things more difficult, this sort of integration is pretty simple.
>
> cheers,
> Steve
>
>
> On 23/01/2013, at 2:15 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu<mailto:hedrick at rutgers.edu>> wrote:
>
>> I agree that the kind of LTI support they're talking about would not be of interest to us. Does anyone have good enough contact to find documentation for the new API? It sounds to me like the Sakai community will have to write support for it. I agree that it probably shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>> I don't much like the current integration, but I suspect that the new one will be just as bad. What we really want is for them just to check documents. Synchronizing our assignments with their is a never-ending source of trouble. I'd rather see an integration that just sends documents and gets back reports.
>>
>> Are there any other services with similar functionality?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:05 AM, David Horwitz <david.horwitz at uct.ac.za<mailto:david.horwitz at uct.ac.za>> wrote:
>>
>>> First I've heard of this - iParadigm did a fair amount of work on
>>> Content Review last year so this surprises me ...
>>>
>>>
>>> D
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:44 +0000, Adam Marshall wrote:
>>>> It depends what you mean by "the new API".
>>>>
>>>> They are currently writing a "brand new API" which will replace the current API. By all accounts it doesn't have the same Service endpoints so the code that Sakai uses to talk to Turnitin will have to be rewritten. I have no idea whether this a big or small job.
>>>>
>>>> The current API will be withdrawn at some point.
>>>>
>>>> adam
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Steve Swinsburg [mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 22 January 2013 12:28
>>>> To: Adam Marshall
>>>> Cc: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org<mailto:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] Sakai and turnitin Integration - major
>>>> development
>>>>
>>>> Surely an integration could be written for the new API, they aren't withdrawing that as well are they? That would be suicide.
>>>>
>>>> The integration only needs to be fairly lightweight, doesn't sound like a huge task.
>>>>
>>>> The LTI option doesn't sound great, most LMS's would have an assignments tool already, why embed another one when what you really want is an integration!?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 22/01/2013, at 22:05, Adam Marshall <adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk<mailto:adam.marshall at it.ox.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I sent this to sakai-dev yesterday but got absolutely no response so thought I would post it here to open up discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I understand it there will come a time in the near future when iParadigms withdraw the current Content Review API which will mean there will be no Turnitin integration with either Assignments 1 or Assignments 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like iParadigms will recommend that we use IMS LTI to achieve integration.
>>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of this is that if one wants to check for plagiarism, then one will have to set up assignments within the Turnitin site. This will mean no calendar integration and two separate 'Assignment tools': there will be the current Assignments Tool (with no content review) and a new LTI Tool with plagiarism checking but no Calendar or other Sakai integration. For assignments that use the content review service, students will still be able to submit their assignment by clicking on a link in Sakai but will end up outside of Sakai on the Turnitin site.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sakai community needs a plan - does anybody have any comments?
>>>>>
>>>>> adam
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>> We asked iParadigms:
>>>>>
>>>>> [....] please could you let me know what the progress is on the development of the new TII API, and what date you envisage it will be available.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to plan what aspects of the current Sakai integration we should work on, and schedule when we will be able to test against the new TII API.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also just a reminder that the EuroSakai conference is taking place in Paris next week (28-30 Jan), and our team will be organising a 'Birds of a Feather' session to talk about the Sakai Assignments tools 1 and 2. It would be good to have more concrete information about the new TII API and what the improvements will be.
>>>>>
>>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>> They responded:
>>>>>
>>>>> Progress has been very good and the new API is still currently scheduled to be launched towards the end of next month/beginning of March. However we will not be re-writing the Sakai integration against the new API as such, we will be writing an LTI component (IMS global standard) for the new Sakai integration and this is in the plan for this summer! So in around 6 months time. I hope this will fit into your plans as we would advise against doing any custom work, due to our plans for LTI with a view to release in the summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately that probably won't be possible to send someone. I can still speak to the team though and let you know otherwise if we can. I am at the BETT show on those dates so won't be able to attend.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Business Development Manager
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