[Using Sakai] for learning material

[Jon Higham]

I'll start a jira for the Resources update. It only works if you are
saving Resources to the file system, rather than to the database, which
production systems will do. I'm not sure what would happen if you save
Resources to the DB. I'm a bit concerned about it being inefficient,
however, as it copies the file then checks to see if it is of type text
and if it is reads it in and changes any instance of the old site id
before writing the file out and updating the file size.

In Melete, if you link to a file in the site Resources and do an Import
>From Site, the file will be added to Melete's own resource area on the
new site and the link updated appropriately. We have bypassed this so
that it will still link to Resources but with an updated URL whilst
still copying over the file from old to new site. I don't think etudes
are likely to want this in their core code as it breaks the
self-contained nature of Melete.


Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Marshall [mailto:adam.marshall at oucs.ox.ac.uk] 
Sent: 02 November 2010 13:55
To: Jon Higham; Marshall Feldman; sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org;
Regimantas Maciulskis
Cc: Patrick Lynch
Subject: RE: [Using Sakai] for learning material

this sounds like really good stuff. 

It sounds so useful that it should become part of the core code. Could
the work be committed back?

Adam

| -----Original Message-----
| From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-user-
| bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Jon Higham
| Sent: 02 November 2010 13:42
| To: Marshall Feldman; sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org; Regimantas
| Maciulskis
| Cc: Patrick Lynch
| Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] for learning material
| 
| Paul Dagnall (dagnalpb at notes.udayton.edu) at the University of Dayton
| has done some excellent work on updating the site ids in links when
| content is copied using Import From Site for the tools Announcements,
| Assignments, Homepage, Samigo (Tests and Quizzes) and Syllabus.
| 
| At Hull, we have also made changes to update links to site ids for
text
| type documents (txt, html, xml) for Resources and changed the way
| Melete updates its links when using Import From Site.
| 
| I can provide patch files for anyone who is interested.
| 
| 
| Jon Higham
| ICT Dept
| University of Hull
| 
| 
| 
| -----Original Message-----
| From: sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
| [mailto:sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of
| Marshall Feldman
| Sent: 02 November 2010 13:24
| To: sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
| Subject: Re: [Using Sakai] for learning material
| 
| Regimantas,
| 
| I generally keep learning material on a regular web server and only
use
| Sakai as a front end. Several considerations led me to this.
| 
| When Sakai tools are copied between course sites, their links do not
| update to the corresponding tool's URL on the new site. For instance,
| if
| 
| you have a lesson with a link to the testing tool, tools like Melete
| Modules will still point to the old site's tool. For regular web
pages,
| I've written a jQuery plugin that uses a single table for each course
| site and automatically updates links on web pages to the addresses in
| the table (e.g. <a href="$TESTS"> has the current site's URL for
$TESTS
| substituted). I couldn't figure out any way to do this with Sakai's
| built-in tools without having access to and modifying Sakai's source
| code.
| 
| Also, when files stored on our Sakai server are updated, Sakai seems
to
| generate a new URL. So even just keeping the web pages on Sakai and
| using my plugin doesn't work. I will, however, be moving readings and
| other things that do not change to a publicly accessible site on the
| Sakai server. With the current arrangement, I find it much easier, for
| example, to make a mid-semester change to the syllabus and not have to
| go through all my learning pages, track down, and change all
references
| to the syllabus,
| 
| One big advantage of this approach is that you are not restricted to
| Sakai's built-in tools for e-learning. For instance, you can use
| interactive flash, mind maps, or whatever. One disadvantage is that
you
| don't have some of the integration that Sakai provides. But I find
| integration among Sakai's tools is not very strong (e.g., when you
send
| an email to a student from the testing tool, Sakai uses regular email
| rather than its own email tool), and ordinary web pages with my jQuery
| plugin actually provide better integration in many instances.
| 
| I haven't released the plugin publicly because is not yet documented,
| but it is easy to use and I could send you a link.
| 
|      Marsh Feldman
| 
| On 11/2/10 [Nov 2, 10] 8:13 AM,
| sakai-user-request at collab.sakaiproject.org wrote:
| > Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:47:47 +0200
| > From: Regimantas Maciulskis<regimantas.maciulskis at gmail.com>
| > Subject: [Using Sakai] for learning material
| > To:sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org
| > Message-ID:
| > 	<AANLkTikJ5ttE1vrObAsqJb8zMezef18TCXY-hYzKsz=v at mail.gmail.com>
| > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
| >
| > Hello,
| > I would like to know where to put learning material in Sakai? In
| > moodle I used text page. What tools in Sakai is to put learning
| > material? I know that i can put docs in resources, but it is not
true
| > e-learning.
| > Thank you very much.
| > Regimantas
| 
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