[WG: Sakai QA] [DG: User Experience] User Experience] why a separate step to join sites?

David Haines dlhaines at umich.edu
Fri Jul 24 11:55:49 PDT 2009


RIght.  My fat fingers typed permission but I meant preference.

- Dave

David Haines
CTools Developer
Digital Media Commons
University of Michigan
dlhaines at umich.edu




On Jul 24, 2009, at 1:35 PM, Jim Eng wrote:

> This might be a good idea, but it seems more like a user preference  
> than a permission.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2009, at 11:53 AM, David Haines wrote:
>
>> I'm just thinking about Sakai 2 here.
>>
>> How about a user permission like: "Automatically join sites I  
>> visit"?  Set to true this lets people avoid the explicit join  
>> step.  Set to false it implies that the current behavior would be  
>> unchanged.  If the default can be set in sakai.properties then  
>> institutions can select their own default behavior, but individuals  
>> can override for themselves if their needs are different.
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>> David Haines
>> CTools Developer
>> Digital Media Commons
>> University of Michigan
>> dlhaines at umich.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 11:37 AM, John Norman wrote:
>>
>>> There is a Sakai 2 and a Sakai 3 dimension here too. In the scenario
>>> mentioned by Hattie where a member of staff is going to a site  
>>> only to
>>> see a specific piece of content, that content will more easily be
>>> shared with groups beyond the site membership - making "join"
>>> unnecessary /for this use case/.
>>>
>>> The implications of a "joinable" site are that the owners want to
>>> allow a wide group of people to be able to choose whether they  
>>> become
>>> members of a site. In this situation it is logical that they  
>>> should be
>>> able to visit the site without restriction (but also without a /
>>> requirement/ to join) and then should be presented with an  
>>> opportunity
>>> to join once there together with some information about what
>>> difference it would make if they join (e.g. receive site
>>> notifications, ability to post announcements, etc.). Another nice
>>> option might be an invitation - a bit like a Google Calendar meeting
>>> invitation - that can be accepted in the invitation.
>>>
>>> The options for Sakai 2 are different I think, due to the way access
>>> controls are linked to site membership.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On 24 Jul 2009, at 16:10, Noah Botimer wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd like to clarify what I think are two similar proposals here.
>>>>
>>>> I hear Dave suggesting implicit join on visit. I hear Adam
>>>> suggesting that joinable mean visitable, but join remaining  
>>>> explicit.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I would favor the latter (fewer side effects). Maybe
>>>> something in/near the tool menu (portal level)?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Noah
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Adam Marshall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I’d fully support this.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We’ve had lots of problems with this. People cant understand why
>>>>> there cant be a link on the “unavailable” page saying “click here
>>>>> to join this site” – it’s a no-brainer!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: sakai-ux-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-ux-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>>>> ] On Behalf Of David Haines
>>>>> Sent: 24 July 2009 15:33
>>>>> To: Sakai QA; Sakai UX
>>>>> Subject: [DG: User Experience] why a separate step to join sites?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently if you try to access a site that you can join but have
>>>>> not yet joined you'll get a "site unavailable" message.  Among
>>>>> other things this makes inviting people to a site awkward.  If you
>>>>> create a site and email a URL to people who can have access  
>>>>> they'll
>>>>> need to manually join before they get access.  At Michigan we're
>>>>> running a modified version of code that Ian Boston created that
>>>>> will automatically join people to sites they are eligible to join
>>>>> but this requires distributing a special URL.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you are trying to access a site that you have permission to
>>>>> join what is the use of having an explicit join step?  I do see  
>>>>> the
>>>>> use of a tool that lists separately sites you have joined and  
>>>>> sites
>>>>> you can join.  I see the value of being able to unjoin sites you  
>>>>> no
>>>>> longer need to a member of.  I just don't see the use of requiring
>>>>> someone to explicitly join a site.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there some reason that the default behavior of Sakai (2.x)
>>>>> should not be changed to automatically join people to sites they
>>>>> are trying to visit as long as they are eligible to join the site?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This question comes from looking at http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-15832
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any comments are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David Haines
>>>>>
>>>>> CTools Developer
>>>>>
>>>>> Digital Media Commons
>>>>>
>>>>> University of Michigan
>>>>>
>>>>> dlhaines at umich.edu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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