[WG: Sakai QA] [DG: User Experience] User Experience] why a separate step to join sites?

[John Norman]

There is a Sakai 2 and a Sakai 3 dimension here too. In the scenario  
mentioned by Hattie where a member of staff is going to a site only to  
see a specific piece of content, that content will more easily be  
shared with groups beyond the site membership - making "join"  
unnecessary /for this use case/.

The implications of a "joinable" site are that the owners want to  
allow a wide group of people to be able to choose whether they become  
members of a site. In this situation it is logical that they should be  
able to visit the site without restriction (but also without a / 
requirement/ to join) and then should be presented with an opportunity  
to join once there together with some information about what  
difference it would make if they join (e.g. receive site  
notifications, ability to post announcements, etc.). Another nice  
option might be an invitation - a bit like a Google Calendar meeting  
invitation - that can be accepted in the invitation.

The options for Sakai 2 are different I think, due to the way access  
controls are linked to site membership.

John

On 24 Jul 2009, at 16:10, Noah Botimer wrote:

> I'd like to clarify what I think are two similar proposals here.
>
> I hear Dave suggesting implicit join on visit. I hear Adam  
> suggesting that joinable mean visitable, but join remaining explicit.
>
> Personally, I would favor the latter (fewer side effects). Maybe  
> something in/near the tool menu (portal level)?
>
> Thanks,
> -Noah
>
> On Jul 24, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Adam Marshall wrote:
>
>> I’d fully support this.
>>
>>
>>
>> We’ve had lots of problems with this. People cant understand why  
>> there cant be a link on the “unavailable” page saying “click here  
>> to join this site” – it’s a no-brainer!
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
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>> From: sakai-ux-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-ux-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org 
>> ] On Behalf Of David Haines
>> Sent: 24 July 2009 15:33
>> To: Sakai QA; Sakai UX
>> Subject: [DG: User Experience] why a separate step to join sites?
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently if you try to access a site that you can join but have  
>> not yet joined you'll get a "site unavailable" message.  Among  
>> other things this makes inviting people to a site awkward.  If you  
>> create a site and email a URL to people who can have access they'll  
>> need to manually join before they get access.  At Michigan we're  
>> running a modified version of code that Ian Boston created that  
>> will automatically join people to sites they are eligible to join  
>> but this requires distributing a special URL.
>>
>>
>>
>> But if you are trying to access a site that you have permission to  
>> join what is the use of having an explicit join step?  I do see the  
>> use of a tool that lists separately sites you have joined and sites  
>> you can join.  I see the value of being able to unjoin sites you no  
>> longer need to a member of.  I just don't see the use of requiring  
>> someone to explicitly join a site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there some reason that the default behavior of Sakai (2.x)  
>> should not be changed to automatically join people to sites they  
>> are trying to visit as long as they are eligible to join the site?
>>
>>
>>
>> This question comes from looking at http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-15832 
>> .
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>> Any comments are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> David Haines
>>
>> CTools Developer
>>
>> Digital Media Commons
>>
>> University of Michigan
>>
>> dlhaines at umich.edu
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