[sakai-pmc] Stack exchange site
Steve Swinsburg
steve.swinsburg at gmail.com
Thu Jun 12 03:27:40 PDT 2014
Hi JF,
At the PMC meeting, a discussion point came up about the quality and
accuracy of the technical documentation of Sakai. To sum it up, there is a
lot of good info on the mailing list but its almost impossible to find.
We discussed ways of making it easier to discover, one being a confluence
plugin, one being in the code and versioned (once we move to git), and one
being a stack exchange site. With SE we can create a community, however
there are certain criteria that need to be met including the number of
contributors, visits, questions, answers, 'level' of the users etc etc.
This criteria may be difficult to meet based on the number of active Sakai
users.
You can read back through this thread a discussion about making an Apereo
community on SE rather than just a Sakai one - united we are stronger and
all that. Initially I wasn't in favour of that but now think it might be a
goer and have contacted the uPortal, CAS and Bedework sterring groups to
see if they want to join in. If they do, then we can maybe go in that
direction, if not we may be able to get the Sakai site up. If not, move on
to some other strategy.
One thing we agreed on was that we need to increase the visibility of the
activity of Sakai - this allows us to do that. Mailing lists are very
private, even though they are open to all. Confluence is as well IMO.
Having a public website that anyone can read/post on was seen as a positive
note for the visibility of Sakai.
We agreed to trial some of these strategies and see where we go. So I setup
the site, and checked out the criteria etc so it didnt linger or fall off
the radar. With the recent announcements from other major contributing
universities and the direction they are taking, we all agreed we needed to
act fast and kick it up a gear.
I hope that brings you up to speed.
cheers,
Steve
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Jean-Francois Leveque <
jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr> wrote:
> Still hard for me not being able to attend the meeting this year. :(
>
> Le 11/06/2014 22:47, Steve Swinsburg a écrit :
> > They may appear to be major roadblocks but it may not end up being too
> > difficult. The 'beer' proposal is already in public beta, has less than
> > 1 question per day, 61 avid users and 156 visits per day
> >
> > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/48905/beer
> > http://beer.stackexchange.com/
> >
> > I've received positive feedback from the uPortal SG, they are going to
> > add it as a discussion item.
> >
> > We did agree to try this out at the PMC meeting, lets see where it goes.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:05 AM, <markjnorton at earthlink.net
> > <mailto:markjnorton at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> >
> > > I do like the openness and socialness (is that a word?)
> >
> > "Social Nature" might be a better way to put it. :)
> >
> > Generally, I agree, but SE has put up some major roadblocks to
> > creating a community. Clearly, they are looking for projects the
> > size of OpenStack, rather than Sakai.
> > Perhaps we can ask Neal to look into getting the Atlassian Question
> > plugin and give it a go. From the adverts on the Atlassian site, it
> > seems very similar (ie, knock off) of SE, including reputation.
> >
> > - Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Swinsburg __
> > Sent: Jun 11, 2014 9:21 AM
> > To: "Mark J. Norton" __
> > Cc: Matthew Jones __, Aaron Zeckoski __,
> > "sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org
> > <mailto:sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org>" __
> > Subject: Re: [sakai-pmc] Stack exchange site
> >
> > I've approached the steering committees of the other major
> > Apereo projects (uPortal, CAS and Bedework) to see if they are
> > interested in an Apereo wide SE site - may be a few weeks before
> > I hear back as they will need to discuss. Its worth trying
> > everything though, give the plugin a go and lets see what it
> > looks like.
> >
> > I do like the openness and socialness (is that a word?) of the
> > Stack Exchange sites though. I think we can get some good
> > exposure that way rather than with confluence.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:48 PM, <markjnorton at earthlink.net
> > <mailto:markjnorton at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't see any further discussion on this topic. Neal and
> > I proposed the Confluence plugin approach in Miami. Should
> > we give that a try?
> >
> >
> > - Mark Norton
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Jones __
> > Sent: Jun 7, 2014 8:27 PM
> > To: Aaron Zeckoski __
> > Cc: "sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org
> > <mailto:sakai-pmc at collab.sakaiproject.org>" __
> > Subject: Re: [sakai-pmc] Stack exchange site
> >
> > Yeah, looking at the entire workflow, I think the bigger
> > problem is the commitment phase. To actually get a site
> > through to commitment phase you have to have the
> > "minimum" of three scores
> >
> > - 200 total confirmed committers (up from the 60)
> > - 100 of of the committers have to have 200+ rep on
> > Stack Overflow
> > - Some formula related to commitment score
> > (
> http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/53650/area-51-commit-percent/53733#53733
> )
> >
> > Look at a topic like "Latin Language" that is only 50%
> > through commitment with 100 committed
> > (
> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/48247/latin-language)
> >
> > Not to be pessimistic but I can't realistically see a
> > Sakai only space getting that much activity. I think our
> > only options are
> > - The confluence plugin mentioned at the PMC meeting,
> > - Suggesting people to post questions to regular Stack
> > OverFlow with Sakai Tag and periodically watching the
> > Sakai tag
> > (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/sakai).
> > Participating with voting and answering is good for rep.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Aaron Zeckoski
> > <azeckoski at unicon.net <mailto:azeckoski at unicon.net>>
> wrote:
> >
> > We have 10 example questions so we need another 30
> > questions and about
> > 380 more votes (at a minimum). I still think the
> > plan should be to get
> > the 40 questions (or maybe 45) in there first and
> > then we will use the
> > dev list to get the votes in there.
> > -AZ
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Steve Swinsburg
> > <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com
> > <mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Yep I've used up my questions and votes too.
> > Everyone else if you can pose
> > > some questions and vote up the others that would
> > be good.
> > >
> > > sent from my mobile device
> > >
> > > On 07/06/2014 8:10 AM, "Aaron Zeckoski"
> > <azeckoski at unicon.net <mailto:azeckoski at unicon.net>>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Makes sense. Still worth the discussion but I'm
> > dropping the suggestion.
> > >> I maxed out my questions so we just need a few
> > others to do the same.
> > >>
> > >> On Jun 6, 2014 5:15 PM, "Steve Swinsburg"
> > <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com
> > <mailto:steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Yeah I think we need to keep the projects
> > separate. The other projects
> > >>> may not want to use this anyway.
> > >>>
> > >>> Also these are meant to be 40 example questions
> > which then get voted on
> > >>> to show we have a community. They don't need to
> > be answered afaict. I am
> > >>> unsure if they get transferred to the new
> > community site.
> > >>>
> > >>> JFL we talked about this as an experiment to
> > capture the technical
> > >>> questions that come up on the dev list since
> > the good info can be hard to
> > >>> find unless you remember the thread
> > date/subject etc.
> > >>>
> > >>> If anyone down votes I propose they lose commit
> > rights ;)
> > >>>
> > >>> Back in AU now.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers all.
> > >>> Steve
> > >>>
> > >>> sent from my mobile device
> > >>>
> > >>> On 07/06/2014 6:28 AM, "Charles Severance"
> > <csev at umich.edu <mailto:csev at umich.edu>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Jean-Francois
> Leveque
> > >>>> <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr
> > <mailto:jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Could someone tell me why you want to create
> > such a space wether i's for
> > >>>> Sakai or Apereo?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think that Sakai and CAS should be separate
> > and there probably should
> > >>>> not be an Apereo S.O. There might be an
> > ApereoOAE stackoverflow.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The foundation is a structure for intellectual
> > property and shared
> > >>>> services - it is not the uber brand above each
> > project.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /Chuck
> > >>>>
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