[Building Sakai] [Using Sakai] Resources Changes for Sakai 11

Thu Feb 20 15:00:35 PST 2014

I third that. Hiding the WebDAV term can just be confusing, but it doesn't
need to be front and centre, so having it in brackets is a good option.
It's basically just a list of instructions, so maybe even something that
describes that.
The link doesnt actually setup anything, so having the word 'setup' without
the word 'instructions' might make a user think it actually does something
for them.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 12:52 AM, David N. O'Steen <dosteen at wellesley.edu>wrote:

> I second Margaret's concern and suggestion. I'd even vote for including
> the dreaded WebDAV in parentheses, like this
>
> Upload-download multiple files (WebDAV)
>
> Many of the client programs people use (especially iOS apps) do
> explicitly employ the terminology "WebDAV" for this sort of connection,
> so I want to *teach* them this term (if they're unfamiliar with it), not
> hide it from them.
>
> David
>
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> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Margaret Wagner <mwagner at umich.edu>wrote:
>
>> To me, these don't tell users *why*:
>>
>> - Desktop access
>> - Set up desktop access
>> - Client connect
>> - Desktop access instructions
>>
>> Am I right that users will have to click the button to see what it's for?
>>  Because that's not ideal UI.
>>
>> I'd recommend giving the users more information -- tell them what the
>> button is for:
>>
>> - Transfer multiple files
>> - Move multiple files
>> - Upload-download multiple files
>>
>> My preference is keeping the last one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Chris Kretler <ckretler at umich.edu>wrote:
>>
>>> That makes sense.  Sounds like a good argument for that term being
>>> prominent in the documentation.
>>>
>>> ck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Marilyn Dispensa <mdispensa at ithaca.edu>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I like "Client Connect".  I understand steering clear of "webDAV" but
>>>> when you use something like "Cyberduck" or NetDrive that has 5-6
>>>>  connection type choices and the user needs to choose one that says
>>>> "webDAV"  then at least they can connect the terms together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chris Kretler [mailto:ckretler at umich.edu]
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:54 PM
>>>> *To:* Marilyn Dispensa
>>>> *Cc:* Kirschner, Beth; Sakai User; sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.orgDevelopers
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Using Sakai] Resources Changes for Sakai 11
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with the comments that 'Desktop' may give the wrong
>>>> impression.  We could use a term like 'Client Connect'.  Keep in mind that
>>>> the current button is significantly wider than the other buttons in that
>>>> space.  We'd like to skinny that up.
>>>>
>>>> As far as WebDAV goes, we are going to steer away from that term.
>>>> Polling indicated that 88% of our users are unfamiliar with the term WebDAV.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Kretler
>>>>
>>>> Business Analyst
>>>>
>>>> University of Michigan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Marilyn Dispensa <mdispensa at ithaca.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Regarding "Desktop Access" Label.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since the web-dav function is also very useful for connecting the
>>>> Resources to tablets and phones, I'm thinking "Desktop" is sounding a
>>>> little dated.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe something like "File connections" or SakaiDrive or SakaiConnect
>>>> or  or even something simple like "Connecting Resources via Webdav"?
>>>>
>>>> Others changes are great. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Separate topic, but here is my wish list based on working with lots of
>>>> end users. Not sure if these are in any future plans.
>>>>
>>>> 1.       Select multiple files and a download selected just from the
>>>> web interface maybe to a .zip?
>>>>
>>>> 2.       Connect to cloud file storage like Google Drive, Dropbox, Box
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> 3.       Somehow visually or label separate folders created via Lesson
>>>> builder from the rest of folders in resources (this messes some people up).
>>>>
>>>> 4.       Drag/drop functionality.
>>>>
>>>> Marilyn
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:
>>>> sakai-user-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] *On Behalf Of *Ward, Lynn
>>>> E.
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:23 PM
>>>> *To:* Jeff Ziegler; Kirschner, Beth
>>>> *Cc:* Sakai User; sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org Developers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Using Sakai] Resources Changes for Sakai 11
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or even "Desktop Access Instructions".
>>>>
>>>> ==========================
>>>>
>>>> Lynn Ward, Principal Systems Analyst
>>>>
>>>> Teaching and Learning Technologies
>>>>
>>>> University Information Technology Services <http://uits.iu.edu/>
>>>> Indiana University
>>>> Information Technology and Communications Complex (IT 342K)
>>>> 535 West Michigan Street, Indianapolis, IN 46202
>>>> Phone: 317-278-5713  E-mail: *leward at iu.edu <leward at iu.edu>*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Jeff Ziegler <ziegler at umich.edu>
>>>> *Date: *Wednesday, February 19, 2014 at 3:12 PM
>>>> *To: *bethk <bkirschn at umich.edu>
>>>> *Cc: *"sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org" <
>>>> sakai-user at collab.sakaiproject.org>, "sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.orgDevelopers" <
>>>> sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Using Sakai] Resources Changes for Sakai 11
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that "Setup Desktop Access" aligns more with the instructions
>>>> the user will actually see when that button is clicked. "Desktop Access" is
>>>> slightly shorter but might create the expectation that all you have to do
>>>> is click to have desktop access to Resources.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 2:52 PM, "Kirschner, Beth" <bkirschn at umich.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> The University of Michigan is working on a series of small to moderate
>>>> Resources tool enhancements for Sakai 11 (looking forward), and I wanted to
>>>> bring them to your attention as well as for your opinions:
>>>>
>>>> SAK-25709 Create option to hide/show columns in the Resources tool for
>>>> a cleaner display based on user feedback we've received
>>>> SAK-25668 Show soft-deleted files in a separate "trash" section, that
>>>> includes the parent folder structure
>>>> SAK-25766 Relabel button from 'Upload-Download Multiple Resources' to
>>>> 'Desktop Access'
>>>>
>>>> The last JIRA is the smallest, but possibly the most contentious, since
>>>> it involves a change in terminology. We propose changing the Resources
>>>>  'Upload-Download Multiple Resources' button to 'Desktop Access'. The
>>>> thought is that this will provide a better (and shorter) label for users,
>>>> as well as differentiating it from the cool new drag-n-drop UI that is
>>>> available in Sakai 10 (SAK-22306).
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you have any concerns with this relabeling - as
>>>> with all UI strings in Sakai, you can always localize this string for your
>>>> own institution in a properties file. Barring any objections, we'll commit
>>>> this small change next week.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> - Beth
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>>>> "New != better.  Different != better.  Only better == better."
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>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Ziegler
>>>>
>>>> CTools Service Manager
>>>>
>>>> ITS Teaching and Learning Group
>>>> University of Michigan
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