[Building Sakai] Is Respondus LockDown the only answer?

Fri Feb 8 12:29:39 PST 2013

Yea,

I saw that after I posted. Though apparently on the two newest versions of
OSX (Lion/Mountain Lion) it's not supported.

https://d2l.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1182/kw/Mac%20compatibility

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Neal Caidin
<nealcaidin at sakaifoundation.org>wrote:

> FYI - Respondus LockDownBrowser does work on Mac.
>
> -- Neal
>
> On Feb 8, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com> wrote:
>
> The Respondus product is really only useful at a secure testing facility
> where you have proctors and a secure environment already. It is only
> available for Windows, so users with Macs (which at many Universities is
> almost half of the population) won't be locked down by anything like this
> anyway. Students at home can have a second computer that's completely
> unlocked and while typing is slightly slower than copying and pasting, it
> isn't significantly.
>
> The only two real solutions that ever come up
> - Randomized draw from a large question pool. If you have a 10 question
> exam from a pool of 50 questions, then it's unlikely 2 students will get
> the same questions anyway, so cheating isn't possible.
> - Require testing at a secure location with a proctor
>   - When I worked at the University of Michigan we had a large online only
> program. Online only students were still required to either come to campus
> for Exams or go to an pre-approved testing center. (Often another
> university or public library was acceptable)
>
> It sounds like if copy/pasting is your biggest worry, the unselectable fix
> might work well for you. Though it's just about as easy to just setup a
> cell phone to record the screen and share on Skype or Facetime that as
> copy/pasting. Then you can talk too!
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Paul Dagnall <pdagnall1 at udayton.edu>wrote:
>
>> Sam
>> You're right. Nothing is ever going to be 100% airtight. My goal is only
>> to make it harder. Faculty ask us if students can cheat. We tell them they
>> can and give them a few lines. It would be nice to also say we've taken
>> some steps.
>>
>> My thinking is that only x% of students will attempt to cheat. Only y% of
>> that x% will try cheating outside of a very obvious path. So, closing the
>> door will stop many who wouldn't think to check if it was locked.
>>
>> For example, a common faculty concern is that students can copy and paste
>> questions from the test. If we optionally wrapped the Samigo question text
>> with jquery's unselectable class, it would make copying more difficult
>> (though clearly not impossible). A closed but unlocked door.
>>
>> Again, I know we can't make it bulletproof. I'm just asking if there are
>> any alternatives to Respondus before we consider going down that road.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Sam Ottenhoff <ottenhoff at longsight.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I would suggest that your attempts to lock a user's personal computer
>>> are entirely futile.  If you want a secure environment for assessments, you
>>> need a secure lab.  The war against students and their array of personal
>>> devices was lost several years ago.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Paul Dagnall <pdagnall1 at udayton.edu>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Sam - Most of our students use Sakai from their personal computers,
>>>> so that is the case we are most concerned with.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Sam Ottenhoff <ottenhoff at longsight.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Paul, are you worried about the use of lab computers or personal
>>>>> computers being used at the student's convenience?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Paul Dagnall <pdagnall1 at udayton.edu>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're looking for any information others can share about their
>>>>>> experiences/attempts to limit print/copy/navigation activity while
>>>>>> completing Samigo assessments.  We are currently upgrading to 2.9 and would
>>>>>> like to add this functionality to our environment.  Students currently have
>>>>>> the ability to copy text, print screens, etc while taking assessments which
>>>>>> isn't desirable in many situations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've briefly looked in to Respondus LockDown browser but it appears
>>>>>> to carry some serious overhead for the student.  Students need to
>>>>>> download/install the LockDown browser on their computer and use a specific
>>>>>> browser to take the exam.  We're after something a little more seamless and
>>>>>> invisible to the student.  I understand that it will be impossible to close
>>>>>> every hole  but we'd like to make it a more difficult to cheat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be interested to hear what other Sakai schools are doing in
>>>>>> this area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    - Are there other approaches I'm not aware of?
>>>>>>    - Are there other companies that provide a similar product to
>>>>>>    Respondus LockDown browser?
>>>>>>    - Are my concerns about the negative student impacts of LockDown
>>>>>>    browser unfounded?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks very much in advance for any light you can shed on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Dagnall
>>>>>> Application Developer & Administrator
>>>>>> University of Dayton
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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