[Building Sakai] Windows 7 64bit and Sakai 2.9.2 WebDav

Mon Aug 12 09:49:57 PDT 2013

I don't find "bad request" an obvious response for a request for a non-existent item. How sure are we that Litmus is right about this? I've looked at the RFC for DAV. It doesn't seem to say, but bad request normally indicates something syntactically invalid. Not found is typically used when something requested isn't there.

On Aug 12, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Sam Ottenhoff <ottenhoff at longsight.com> wrote:

> Chuck, 
> 
> Are you running with SAK-19592 in production?  Any thoughts on it?  It is included in Sakai 2.9.2+.
> 
> --Sam
> 
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> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu> wrote:
> In the past i've fixed problems that come up in Windows and Mac native clients. So far Mac problems have always been fixable. Windows have not; their client is notorious. But in Windows 7 and later it seems to be supportable.
> 
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> On Aug 12, 2013, at 9:50 AM, Neal Caidin <neal.caidin at apereo.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>> I cannot say for certain how much it will help your specific issue (but I have my fingers crossed). I don't know the differences at a technical/code level so I don't have a way to assess. 
>> 
>> Because we've known that WebDav has had issues over time, our QA testing has accepted tests using CyberDuck and AnyClient. These two tools seem reliable and consistent, which is more than we've seen at the OS level. Possibly we could explicitly ask testers to test natively on Mac and Windows, in addition to CyberDuke and AnyClient (or other WebDav clients) just so that we know what the baseline behavior is (or at least as best as we can know).  
>> 
>> Suggestions welcome (or +1 if you think we need a more extensive set of environments / tools on which WebDav is tested).
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Neal
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Neal Caidin
>> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
>> neal.caidin at apereo.org
>> Skype: nealkdin
>> Twitter: ncaidin
>> 
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>> On Aug 12, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Mike Jennings <mike_jennings at unc.edu> wrote:
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>>> Neal,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the information.
>>> 
>>> I am going to try and role back this patch and see if things get better in my tests.
>>> 
>>> I also wonder if I could just use the dav code from the cle 2.9.3 tag in 2.9.2, if that is all tested and working better.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> On 08/12/2013 07:38 AM, Neal Caidin wrote:
>>>> Aren't there a patch or two for WebDav which are reverted for CLE 2.9.3
>>>> [currently at RC03 level] ?
>>>> 
>>>> Is https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-19592 one of them?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Neal
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Neal Caidin
>>>> Sakai CLE Community Coordinator
>>>> neal.caidin at apereo.org <mailto:neal.caidin at apereo.org>
>>>> Skype: nealkdin
>>>> Twitter: ncaidin
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> On Aug 10, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Matthew Jones <matthew at longsight.com
>>>> <mailto:matthew at longsight.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree, while Windows 7 (and other versions of Windows) have always
>>>>> had *some* issues with Sakai dav (mostly because we aren't
>>>>> implementing all the property retrievals it wants)  basic operations
>>>>> seemed to work. We'd usually still recommend a client like Cyberduck
>>>>> that worked 100% of the time, but I can see the usefulness of mapping
>>>>> a drive and not spending the money for a more reliable client like
>>>>> WebDrive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In any case, the comment I just noticed in SAK-19592 in 2.9.2 would
>>>>> lead me to believe that this is what is causing this recent problem.
>>>>> https://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-19592?focusedCommentId=178333&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-178333
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, webdav is soooo slow on Windows 7. This is a client side problem
>>>>> (it looks like it keeps trying to detect a proxy?) and the fix is here:
>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2445570
>>>>> 
>>>>> Removing this patch and applying the client side fix actually make the
>>>>> Windows 7 dav not super bad. Though when I upload it doesn't seem to
>>>>> refresh the window. The file uploads successfully but I have to
>>>>> manually refresh to see it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Thomas Lampert
>>>>> <Thomas.Lampert at mci.edu <mailto:Thomas.Lampert at mci.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>    We got exactly the same problem. Downloading works fine, uploading
>>>>>    even the tiniest file gives the "too large" error.
>>>>>    So far, we havent found anything that could possibly help so we
>>>>>    told our Win7-users to work with a Windows WebDAV-Client instead.
>>>>> 
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>>>>>    -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>    Von: sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>>>>    <mailto:sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>>>>>    [mailto:sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>>>>    <mailto:sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org>] Im Auftrag von
>>>>>    Mike Jennings
>>>>>    Gesendet: Freitag, 09. August 2013 22:48
>>>>>    An: dev sakai
>>>>>    Betreff: [Building Sakai] Windows 7 64bit and Sakai 2.9.2 WebDav
>>>>> 
>>>>>    We have just upgraded from Sakai 2.8.1 to 2.9.2 and after the
>>>>>    upgrade anyone who was mapping a windows folder to a sakai webdav
>>>>>    site is having issues.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Currently the users can authenticate just fine, but when they try
>>>>>    to upload any file, or even create a new folder you get a error
>>>>> 
>>>>>      the file '***' is too large
>>>>> 
>>>>>    or in the case of creating a new folder you get
>>>>> 
>>>>>      the file '<%1 NULL:NameDest>' is too large
>>>>> 
>>>>>    We have no issues using Mac, Linux, or a Windows Client like
>>>>>    Cyberduck or even Windows XP, but the native WebFolders in Windows
>>>>>    7 don't work.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    I am able to rename files and delete files, but that seems to be
>>>>>    about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Has anyone else had any issues with Windows 7 and WebDav Folders?
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Mike
>>>>>    --
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