[Building Sakai] Portal Chat

Fri Oct 14 16:10:08 PDT 2011

Yea, IE8 works and is the default install on xp, it's IE9 that was vista or
7 only. Microsoft hasn't released an IE7 update since 2007.
On Oct 14, 2011 6:58 PM, "Steve Swinsburg" <steve.swinsburg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Isn't forcing people on to IE8 or above also forcing an operating system
> upgrade to Windows7 ?
> Or does IE8 work on XP?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 15/10/2011, at 1:38, Aaron Zeckoski <azeckoski at unicon.net> wrote:
>
> > Agreed.
> > -AZ
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Charles Hedrick <hedrick at rutgers.edu>
> wrote:
> >> I think flash may be a cure that's worse than the disease. I'd rather
> just disable portal chat for those users
> >>
> >> On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Noah Botimer <botimer at umich.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Personally, I have to imagine that the rest of the web is going to be a
> pretty strong forcing function in moving from IE7. Six months is also a lot
> of notice, so this may be completely manageable for the IT shops to handle.
> >>>
> >>> But... If there is a real demand for both IE7 support and the portal
> chat, there is a possibility of using Flash storage as a fall-back from DOM
> Storage. This assumes that the markup and CSS behave in IE7, which may or
> may not be the case.
> >>>
> >>> I haven't used it in a while, but I have had good success with Dojo's
> Storage module. It manages the feature detection process and gives a
> consistent API across a few storage providers. It can be used without the
> entirety of Dojo. Just food for thought.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> -Noah
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 14, 2011, at 6:13 AM, Charles Hedrick wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In our staff areas users can't do updates or install software. We had
>  aroblem a couple of years ago in a major version change because one
> department didnt let their users clear the browser cache. I don't think were
> unique in this.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 14, 2011, at 5:56 AM, Nkululeko Phakela <
> nonkululeko.phakela at wits.ac.za> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Adrian,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think that it's enough that it works on IE 8 and above. Well, if
> >>>>> people want to use the chat tool then they should just upgrade their
> IE
> >>>>> version or use one of the better browsers, :-D. I don't think it's
> worth
> >>>>> the effort because upgrading a browser really doesn't take that long.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Nguni
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2011-10-14 at 10:04 +0100, Adrian Fish wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The reason we use storage is to maintain the chat state between page
> >>>>>> reloads. Every time you click a tool or a site in Sakai the entire
> UI
> >>>>>> refreshes and the chat UI has to rebuild itself. I've gone to not
> >>>>>> inconsiderable lengths to get rid of flicker and that's where local
> >>>>>> storage comes in. The alternative to SessionStorage is yucky
> cookies,
> >>>>>> which we can do but it is a bit of a retrograde step. There are a
> couple
> >>>>>> of functions in the JS which handle the writing and reading to
> storage
> >>>>>> so some cookie code would have to be written in there if
> SessionStorage
> >>>>>> is not available.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Our computer services here has forced everybody onto IE9, so no IE7
> use
> >>>>>> here :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How are your cookie cutting skills Nguni? :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anything you do in the 2.8 chat code will be easily transferable to
> the
> >>>>>> neoportal code for 2.9 and will not be wasted. I use our 2.8 chat
> stuff
> >>>>>> as a kind of testbed for neoportal stuff.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Adrian.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 13/10/2011 22:44, Hedrick Charles wrote:
> >>>>>>> I'm having a private discussion with both Rutgers people and some
> developers about IE 7. I think it's time to desupport IE 6, but I think IE 7
> will probably need to stay for another release. We're just now getting rid
> of some software that requires IE 7. 20% of our users used IE 7 at some
> point since July, although only 4% of our sessions use it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Oct 13, 2011, at 9:45:47 AM, Nkululeko Phakela wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Adrian,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I did that and it's working perfectly now on IE 8, but on IE 7 it
> is
> >>>>>>>> giving an error. Session Storage is undefined. Is there a fix for
> this,
> >>>>>>>> or the chat was built for higher versions of IE.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>> Nguni
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 2011-10-13 at 13:57 +0100, Adrian Fish wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Nguni,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You need to add json2.js (attached) to your webapps/library/js
> >>>>>>>>> directory. You also need to add this line:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"
> >>>>>>>>> src="${pageScriptPath}json2.js"></script>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ... under the trimpath import in
> >>>>>>>>> /webapps/portal-render/vm/defaultskin/includeStandardHead.vm
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> JSON is included in Safari and Firefox. I forgot about IE ...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>> Adrian.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2011 13:42, Nkululeko Phakela wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Adrian,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm using an https protocol, and on IE 8, either windows 7 or
> xp, the
> >>>>>>>>>> portal chat is throwing an error that JSON is not defined.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Specifically: chat.js, line: 321. 'JSON' is undefined. Would you
> know
> >>>>>>>>>> why this is? Have you run into this problem before? All the
> other
> >>>>>>>>>> browsers are behaving perfectly and the chat tool is working
> very well.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>> Nguni
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
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