[Building Sakai] Sakai & MathJax

Thu Apr 14 07:45:00 PDT 2011

Thanks for that note Lance! Do you know if OAE has addressed the issue
of performance and not loading/processing every page (or in OAE's
case, DOM element?) via MathJax, regardless if it has math to process
or not?

- Nate

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Speelmon, Lance <lance at indiana.edu> wrote:
> FYI - recent builds of Sakai OAE include MathJax support; see:
> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/3AK/Math+Formula+Support
>
> L
>
> PS - Congrats on the Stack Exchange partnership announcement!
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 8:17 PM, Nate Angell wrote:
>
>> Hylke:
>>
>> I see that you may have dropped off this thread you sparked off on the
>> Sakai development list and I wanted to make sure you saw the ensuing
>> discussion.
>>
>> I'd love to hear more about how other technologies have incorporated
>> MathJax, and maybe addressed both the WYSIWYG editor question and the
>> load issues as Matthew outlined below.
>>
>> Guess about your location in the Netherlands, I'm copying a few folks
>> from the Dutch Sakai community on this email as well, in case it would
>> be fruitful to make connections there.
>>
>> --
>> Nate Angell
>> Sakai Product Manager
>> rSmart
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>> ixmati = skype
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Matthew Jones <jonespm at umich.edu> wrote:
>>> Agreed, this was discussed but there were a few technical issues that
>>> stopped us, from what I remember:
>>> 1) We ideally don't want the 99%+ of the pages scanned for Latex that
>>> probably won't have it for the 1% that do. We were thinking of some way with
>>> the CKEditor to have a plugin where a user could enter their Latex math
>>> equations, then it would put a span with a math class around it (similar to
>>> how jsMath pre-processed), so that the pre-processor could check the page
>>> for these classes and only target them rather than scanning all documents. A
>>> plugin would also make it more obvious to the user that math was supported
>>> and give them a place to entire it.
>>> 2) We were unable to find a really good wysiwyg editor plugin editor at the
>>> time, forcing users to edit their math outside of the app or *know* Latex.
>>> The conversation about an editor kind of sidetracked the discussion on
>>> rendering.
>>> 3) In testing this out, or internal filter would corrupt some of the latex
>>> (by removing some of the code) and didn't allow the MathML by default. So
>>> some additional work was needed on that which we didn't have time to finish
>>> working on at the time.
>>> MathJax definitely looked like a great project to me and certainly would be
>>> nice for someone to revisit.
>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Zhen Qian <zqian2004 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Hylke:
>>>> Great to hear from you! The idea of integrate of Sakai with MathJax is
>>>> definitely of great interest to Sakai community and has been discussed a
>>>> couple of times. You can find the latest discussion on this following wiki
>>>> page[1].
>>>> Last time we tried is with MathJax v1.0. I believe there is a concern with
>>>> the library loading time. I haven't tried the lastest v1.1 yet. I am glad to
>>>> report any new findings afterwards.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> - Zhen
>>>> --------------------------------
>>>> Zhen Qian
>>>> Software Developer
>>>> University of Michigan
>>>> 734.647.6343
>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/display/PED/Math+Editing+Ideas+for+Sakai
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Hylke Koers <hylkek at mathjax.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> My name is Hylke Koers and I work on MathJax (www.mathjax.org), a new
>>>>> open source web technology that displays mathematics on the web. I am
>>>>> reaching out to you because I believe that MathJax will be of interest to
>>>>> Sakai. I hope this mailing list is the appropriate venue.
>>>>>
>>>>> In a nutshell, MathJax is an open source JavaScript technology that
>>>>> dynamically renders mathematical expressions on a webpage, smoothly
>>>>> integrating it into the surrounding text on all levels of zoom and across
>>>>> viewing devices. MathJax is easy to use for both authors and readers: it
>>>>> supports LaTeX and MathML, works on all modern browsers (without plug-ins),
>>>>> tablets, and smartphones, and it can be used on any HTML page by including a
>>>>> single line of code in the HTML header linking to the public MathJax CDN.
>>>>> Besides math display, MathJax also lets users copy and paste math into
>>>>> calculation applications, and helps to make mathematics accessible to
>>>>> readers with print disabilities.
>>>>>
>>>>> MathJax is rapidly becoming the new standard for quality display
>>>>> mathematics in HTML. Initiated by Design Science, the American Mathematical
>>>>> Society, and the Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics, it is
>>>>> already in use by leading publishers and platforms. Some places where you
>>>>> can see MathJax in action:
>>>>> - Stack Exchange:
>>>>> http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/22954/proving-that-xy-x-y-being-x-and-y-two-strings
>>>>> - OpenStudy OCW Scholar, discussion platform for MIT OpenCourseWare:
>>>>> http://bit.ly/hYnLBe
>>>>> - Connexions: http://cnx.org/content/m36168/latest/
>>>>>
>>>>> Please feel free to contact me at hylkek at mathjax.org of you would like to
>>>>> hear more about our project; it would be a pleasure to follow up with more
>>>>> details.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, and best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hylke Koers
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