[Building Sakai] Change proposal for 2.8: export_filename_date_format (i18n to configuration)

[Jean-Francois Leveque]

Warwick, I mistyped though instead of thought.

J-F

Warwick Chapman a écrit :
> JF
> 
> Where do you see mm-dd-yyyy reflected for most English-speaking 
> countries?  I see the blue as most English-speaking countries and that 
> is dd-mm-yyyy.
> 
> -- Warwick Bruce Chapman | +27 83 7797 094 | http://warwickchapman.com
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Jean-Francois Leveque 
> <jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr <mailto:jean-francois.leveque at upmc.fr>> 
> wrote:
> 
>     Great map, though the mm-dd-yyyy was used in most English-speaking
>     countries. Maybe I've been influenced too much by the US.
> 
>     I wonder how the countries with more than one date format are doing.
>     At least using both dd-mm-yyyy and yyyy-mm-dd is unambiguous when
>     you use 4 digits for the year.
> 
>     Unless Feliz has an objection, maybe it's time to get this to the
>     TCC because I think coordination is needed. A CC to the i18n WG will
>     not hurt. We will need input from code owners. I found the following
>     Leads in JIRA.
>     Gradebook: Jonathan Cook
>     Roster: Daniel Robinson
>     Tests & Quizzes (Samigo): Karen Tsao
>     User Membership and SiteStats: Nuno Fernandes
> 
>     I think Nuno's away right now. Maybe Feliz can answer for him. Maybe
>     someone at UFP or a member of the MT could do this for Nuno if it's OK.
> 
>     If at least one is ready to include this change, the MAINT TEAM
>     which is lead on config could do the default part.
> 
>     WDYT?
> 
>     J-F
> 
>     Steve Swinsburg a écrit :
> 
>         I would also argue that most English locales are not comfortable
>         with the US format date string either, as the MM-dd-yyyy format
>         seems illogical to the rest of us. This format is not even used
>         outside the US. However, the ISO format of yyyy-MM-dd is
>         perfectly suitable and I would +1 this being the default with
>         the option to configure.
> 
>         Interesting map here:
>         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation_by_country
> 
>         cheers,
>         Steve
> 
>         On 22/07/2010, at 11:50 PM, Beth Kirschner wrote:
> 
>             Possibly true, but just aiming to simplify localization. I'm
>             doubtful  most translators will know how to 'localize' the
>             date format string,  so as long as folks are comfortable
>             with most locales defaulting to a  US format, than this
>             shouldn't be a problem.
> 
>             - Beth
> 
>             On Jul 22, 2010, at 5:10 AM, Jean-Francois Leveque wrote:
> 
>                 I think your suggestion is not as simple as needed and
>                 may be risky.  Are we sure we only need to remove spaces
>                 in every locale to have a  suitable string for part of a
>                 file name? I wouldn't bet on it.
> 
>                 J-F
> 
>                 Beth Kirschner a écrit :
> 
>                     I would suggest formatting the date automatically,
>                     leveraging the  Java DateFormat.getDateFormat()
>                     which takes Locale as an argument.  The resulting
>                     date string can then be transformed into a suitable
>                      filename by removing spaces. Automating this would
>                     be one less  thing to worry about when localizing Sakai.
>                     - Beth
>                     On Jul 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Jean-Francois Leveque
>                     wrote:
> 
>                         Hi all,
> 
>                         I think export_filename_date_format (used in
>                         Gradebook, Roster,  Tests &
>                         Quizzes (Samigo), User Membership and SiteStats)
>                         is not a i18n  property
>                         but a configuration property.
> 
>                         Because it's used in several tools, I would like
>                         it to become a  general
>                         configuration property.
> 
>                         I propose to use the name
>                         general.export_filename_date_format in
>                         configuration and to set its default to the ISO
>                         date format of  yyyy-MM-dd.
> 
>                         For further details and related problems, you
>                         can check:
>                         http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-17240
>                         http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/STAT-191
>                         http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-15872
>                         http://jira.sakaiproject.org/browse/SAK-15682
> 
>                         What do the code owners and others devs think?
> 
>                         Cheers,
> 
>                         Jean-Francois
> 
> 


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Jean-François Lévêque
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University Pierre and Marie Curie
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