[Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with accents problems

Thu Apr 29 05:12:09 PDT 2010

Karen, I think we have it figured out.  Unfortunately, MS Word throws in invisible characters  with a 'newline' and it is throwing Samigo off.

What we have done is taken the MS Word document, save it as plain text and then cut/paste into MS Word and the problems disappear.

Does this make sense?

I will try republishing one of our tests with a new name and let you know what we see here.

I will run the queries as well and post the result here.

From: ktsao at hungs.org [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org] On Behalf Of Karen Tsao
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 5:44 PM
To: Johns, Cheryl
Cc: Developers Sakai-Dev
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with accents problems

Cheryl,

So the instructor does have "nació" but the grades are still wrong? I went to Yale site and did see couple of assessments with wrong grades. However, if I published them again (with a different name), for example, SPAN 142 - 2 questions, 2 parts (Karen), the grade looks fine though. Can you republished one of the not working assessment (eg, Spanish 142, 1 question) and try to reproduce the issue?

Also, can you do some queries for me? For any of the not working assessment, I would like to compare the results of following queries:

1.
SELECT pan.text
FROM SAM_PUBLISHEDANSWER_T pan, SAM_PUBLISHEDITEM_T pi, SAM_PUBLISHEDSECTION_T ps WHERE pan.itemid = pi.itemid AND pi.sectionid = ps.sectionid AND ps.assessmentid = :published_assessment_id

2. SELECT ig.answertext
FROM sam_itemgrading_t ig, sam_assessmentgrading_t ag
WHERE ig.assessmentgradingid = ag.assessmentgradingid AND ag.publishedassessmentid = :published_assessment_id

Thanks,
Karen

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu<mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>> wrote:
Thanks Karen.  Yes, that is an issue, but it isn't the same as the instructor that contacted us was doing.  I've added a test to the same site I granted you access to and she is not using the "naci&oacute;" to enter the answer, but is composing her exam in MS Word and copying/pasting into Samigo.  Many of our instructors lost entire exams because of the timeout with Sakai, so they have learned to use Word to compose messages, announcements, test questions in Word and then copy into Sakai.

We've put up three tests for you to look at the behavior:  one with one question, one with two questions, one with two questions in two parts.  Let me know what you think.

From: ktsao at hungs.org<mailto:ktsao at hungs.org> [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org<mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>] On Behalf Of Karen Tsao
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:08 PM

To: Johns, Cheryl
Cc: Developers Sakai-Dev
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with accents problems

Hi Cheryl,

I think what your test case is not what should be used by instructors... If the instructor have "naci&oacute;" as the correct answer, not only instructor sees the HTML encoding in authoring and grading, when students take/review the assessment, they will also see this as correct answer. Shouldn't "nació" be displayed to students? Additionally, if you have "nació" entered correctly, all the questions are graded correctly.

However, I do agree all the questions should be graded correctly even if we enter "naci&oacute;". But because this should not be a common use case, and the fix seems not local but we are in the late stage of 2.7.x release, I plan to fix this in 2.8. Please let me know what you think.

By the way, I work on a mac and cannot reproduce what you have using Neo Office or Open Office. I will give it a try later when I can access a window box.

Thanks,
Karen
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu<mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>> wrote:
That is how I typed it into the question.

I'm on a windows box and had no other way to create the character without cutting/pasting from Word.  I'm sure there is another way, but the behavior is still odd if you look at the tests and how they are scored.

From: ktsao at hungs.org<mailto:ktsao at hungs.org> [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org<mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>] On Behalf Of Karen Tsao
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:16 PM

To: Johns, Cheryl
Cc: Developers Sakai-Dev
Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with accents problems

Hi Cheryl,

I saw you have "naci&oacute;" instead of "nació" in your question text. Do you do this intentionally? Or this is created through import from an old assessment?

Thanks,
Karen
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu<mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>> wrote:
We just tested this on nightly and the behavior is the same.  The last question does not get graded properly.

I'll add you to that site as well with your Stanford address.

From: ktsao at hungs.org<mailto:ktsao at hungs.org> [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org<mailto:ktsao at hungs.org>] On Behalf Of Karen Tsao

Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:47 PM
To: Johns, Cheryl
Cc: Developers Sakai-Dev

Subject: Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with accents problems

Hi Cheryl,

I cannot reproduce your issue in either Sakai 2.6.x instance or my trunk instance. Can if you give me the instructor and student login of your instance so I can take a look at your instance?

Also, can you please try this in Sakai 2.6.x nightly instance (http://nightly2.sakaiproject.org:8087/portal) and let me know if you can reproduce your issue there? If you cannot reproduce this in Sakai 2.6.x, you probably missing some patches. What svn revision do you have?

Thanks,
Karen
2010/4/27 Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu<mailto:cheryl.johns at yale.edu>>
We are using Sakai 2.6.x and are having problems with fill in questions grading properly when the answers have accent characters in them.  Here is an example of the question and how Samigo functions based on how the test is created.

Question:  El actor y humorista Mauricio Borensztein (Tato Bores) {nació} (nacer) en Buenos Aires el 27 de abril de 1927. Desde chico {tuvo} (tener) que salir a trabajar para ayudar en su casa. Antes de {cumplir} (cumplir) diez años ya {había estado|estaba} (estar) abriendo las puertas de los coches en la entrada del Teatro Cervantes. Pese a todo, {pudo} (poder) terminar la escuela primaria, pero no la secundaria.
<br />
A los 18 años {consiguió} (conseguir) trabajo como plomo, el que lleva los instrumentos y las partituras, en la orquesta de Luis Rolero que {amenizó} (amenizar) los programas de Pepe Iglesias en Radio Splendid. En los intervalos, Tato {contaba} (contar) chistes que el grupo {celebraba} (celebrar) ruidosamente. Julio Porter y Pepe Iglesias {se fijaron} (fijarse) en él y al poco tiempo lo {hicieron} (hacer) debutar ante los micrófonos. A través de Porter {se vinculó} (vincularse) paralelamente al teatro Maipo, el cual lo {incorporó} (incorporar) a sus elencos de revista, en los cuales {resplandeció} (resplandecer) con su humor político inyectado de sutilezas.
<br />
En 1957 {comenzó} (comenzar) su labor televisiva en La familia Gesa contando chistes políticos. En 1958, cuando el gobierno de Frondizi {enfrentó|enfrentaba} (enfrentar) una crisis ministerial, {apareció} (aparecer) por primera vez vestido de frac, con habano , lentes y peluca, para estar preparado "por si le {ofrecían|ofrecieran} (ofrecer) algún ministerio", y nunca más {se desentendió} (desentenderse) de ese atuendo.

Scenario 1:  Quiz with 1 question, 1 part
Outcome:  Question scores fine

Scenario 2:  Quiz with 2 questions, 1 part (I put this question in twice)
Outcome:  The first question marks the answer wrong, but when the same answer is put into the second question, it scores as correct.

Scenario 3:  Quiz with 3 questions, 1 part (I put this question in three times)
Outcome:  The first and second questions mark the answer wrong, but when the same answer is put into the third question, it scores as correct.

Scenario 4:  Quiz with 2 questions, 2  parts (I put this question in twice; 1 question in each part)
Outcome:  The first question marks the answer wrong, but when the same answer is put into the second question in the second part, it scores as correct.

I can give someone  guest IDs (both instructor and student) on our server if you want to see the behavior.

Cheryl Johns
Applications Support Manager, Instructional Solutions
http://cmi2.yale.edu
The Center for Media and Instructional Innovation
135 College Street, Suite 101
New Haven, CT  06510
Office: 1.203.436.4626

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