[Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with accents problems

Wed Apr 28 14:43:32 PDT 2010

Cheryl,

So the instructor does have "nació" but the grades are still wrong? I went
to Yale site and did see couple of assessments with wrong grades. However,
if I published them again (with a different name), for example, SPAN 142 - 2
questions, 2 parts (Karen), the grade looks fine though. Can you republished
one of the not working assessment (eg, Spanish 142, 1 question) and try to
reproduce the issue?

Also, can you do some queries for me? For any of the not working assessment,
I would like to compare the results of following queries:

1.
SELECT pan.text
FROM SAM_PUBLISHEDANSWER_T pan, SAM_PUBLISHEDITEM_T pi,
SAM_PUBLISHEDSECTION_T ps WHERE pan.itemid = pi.itemid AND pi.sectionid =
ps.sectionid AND ps.assessmentid = :published_assessment_id

2. SELECT ig.answertext
FROM sam_itemgrading_t ig, sam_assessmentgrading_t ag
WHERE ig.assessmentgradingid = ag.assessmentgradingid AND
ag.publishedassessmentid = :published_assessment_id

Thanks,
Karen

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu>wrote:

>  Thanks Karen.  Yes, that is an issue, but it isn’t the same as the
> instructor that contacted us was doing.  I’ve added a test to the same site
> I granted you access to and she is not using the "naci&oacute;" to enter
> the answer, but is composing her exam in MS Word and copying/pasting into
> Samigo.  Many of our instructors lost entire exams because of the timeout
> with Sakai, so they have learned to use Word to compose messages,
> announcements, test questions in Word and then copy into Sakai.
>
>
>
> We’ve put up three tests for you to look at the behavior:  one with one
> question, one with two questions, one with two questions in two parts.  Let
> me know what you think.
>
>
>
> *From:* ktsao at hungs.org [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org] *On Behalf Of *Karen Tsao
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:08 PM
>
> *To:* Johns, Cheryl
> *Cc:* Developers Sakai-Dev
> *Subject:* Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with
> accents problems
>
>
>
> Hi Cheryl,
>
> I think what your test case is not what should be used by instructors... If
> the instructor have "naci&oacute;" as the correct answer, not only
> instructor sees the HTML encoding in authoring and grading, when students
> take/review the assessment, they will also see this as correct answer.
> Shouldn't "nació" be displayed to students? Additionally, if you have "nació"
> entered correctly, all the questions are graded correctly.
>
> However, I do agree all the questions should be graded correctly even if we
> enter "naci&oacute;". But because this should not be a common use case, and
> the fix seems not local but we are in the late stage of 2.7.x release, I
> plan to fix this in 2.8. Please let me know what you think.
>
> By the way, I work on a mac and cannot reproduce what you have using Neo
> Office or Open Office. I will give it a try later when I can access a window
> box.
>
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
>  On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu>
> wrote:
>
> That is how I typed it into the question.
>
>
>
> I’m on a windows box and had no other way to create the character without
> cutting/pasting from Word.  I’m sure there is another way, but the behavior
> is still odd if you look at the tests and how they are scored.
>
>
>
> *From:* ktsao at hungs.org [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org] *On Behalf Of *Karen Tsao
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:16 PM
>
>
> *To:* Johns, Cheryl
> *Cc:* Developers Sakai-Dev
> *Subject:* Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with
> accents problems
>
>
>
> Hi Cheryl,
>
> I saw you have "naci&oacute;" instead of "nació" in your question text. Do
> you do this intentionally? Or this is created through import from an old
> assessment?
>
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu>
> wrote:
>
> We just tested this on nightly and the behavior is the same.  The last
> question does not get graded properly.
>
>
>
> I’ll add you to that site as well with your Stanford address.
>
>
>
> *From:* ktsao at hungs.org [mailto:ktsao at hungs.org] *On Behalf Of *Karen Tsao
>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:47 PM
> *To:* Johns, Cheryl
>
> *Cc:* Developers Sakai-Dev
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Building Sakai] Samigo grading fill in questions with
> accents problems
>
>
>
> Hi Cheryl,
>
>
>
> I cannot reproduce your issue in either Sakai 2.6.x instance or my trunk
> instance. Can if you give me the instructor and student login of your
> instance so I can take a look at your instance?
>
> Also, can you please try this in Sakai 2.6.x nightly instance (
> http://nightly2.sakaiproject.org:8087/portal) and let me know if you can
> reproduce your issue there? If you cannot reproduce this in Sakai 2.6.x, you
> probably missing some patches. What svn revision do you have?
>
> Thanks,
> Karen
>
> 2010/4/27 Johns, Cheryl <cheryl.johns at yale.edu>
>
> We are using Sakai 2.6.x and are having problems with fill in questions
> grading properly when the answers have accent characters in them.  Here is
> an example of the question and how Samigo functions based on how the test is
> created.
>
>
>
> Question:  El actor y humorista Mauricio Borensztein (Tato Bores) {nació}
> (nacer) en Buenos Aires el 27 de abril de 1927. Desde chico {tuvo} (tener)
> que salir a trabajar para ayudar en su casa. Antes de {cumplir} (cumplir)
> diez años ya {había estado|estaba} (estar) abriendo las puertas de los
> coches en la entrada del Teatro Cervantes. Pese a todo, {pudo} (poder)
> terminar la escuela primaria, pero no la secundaria.
>
> <br />
>
> A los 18 años {consiguió} (conseguir) trabajo como plomo, el que lleva los
> instrumentos y las partituras, en la orquesta de Luis Rolero que {amenizó}
> (amenizar) los programas de Pepe Iglesias en Radio Splendid. En los
> intervalos, Tato {contaba} (contar) chistes que el grupo {celebraba}
> (celebrar) ruidosamente. Julio Porter y Pepe Iglesias {se fijaron} (fijarse)
> en él y al poco tiempo lo {hicieron} (hacer) debutar ante los micrófonos. A
> través de Porter {se vinculó} (vincularse) paralelamente al teatro Maipo, el
> cual lo {incorporó} (incorporar) a sus elencos de revista, en los cuales
> {resplandeció} (resplandecer) con su humor político inyectado de sutilezas.
>
> <br />
>
> En 1957 {comenzó} (comenzar) su labor televisiva en La familia Gesa
> contando chistes políticos. En 1958, cuando el gobierno de Frondizi
> {enfrentó|enfrentaba} (enfrentar) una crisis ministerial, {apareció}
> (aparecer) por primera vez vestido de frac, con habano , lentes y peluca,
> para estar preparado “por si le {ofrecían|ofrecieran} (ofrecer) algún
> ministerio”, y nunca más {se desentendió} (desentenderse) de ese atuendo.
>
>
>
>
>
> Scenario 1:  Quiz with 1 question, 1 part
>
> Outcome:  Question scores fine
>
>
>
> Scenario 2:  Quiz with 2 questions, 1 part (I put this question in twice)
>
> Outcome:  The first question marks the answer wrong, but when the same
> answer is put into the second question, it scores as correct.
>
>
>
> Scenario 3:  Quiz with 3 questions, 1 part (I put this question in three
> times)
>
> Outcome:  The first and second questions mark the answer wrong, but when
> the same answer is put into the third question, it scores as correct.
>
>
>
> Scenario 4:  Quiz with 2 questions, 2  parts (I put this question in twice;
> 1 question in each part)
>
> Outcome:  The first question marks the answer wrong, but when the same
> answer is put into the second question in the second part, it scores as
> correct.
>
>
>
> I can give someone  guest IDs (both instructor and student) on our server
> if you want to see the behavior.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheryl Johns
>
> Applications Support Manager, Instructional Solutions
>
> http://cmi2.yale.edu
>
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>
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