[Building Sakai] How to do tests with samigo without acces tothe rest of sakai

Thu May 14 11:52:59 PDT 2009

Hi, I´m Magali Cabral and I work in Sergio’s team.

Thanks all of you for all the proposed alternatives.
After evaluating, we find convenient to use the tool with the actual behavior because a student may access the course material in different ways.

The alternative of configuring the browser in kiosk mode is fine, but it is not possible because the students performed the test with their own laptops...
We were talking with experts in education; we conclude that it is desirable to design the tests in order to lead students to apply their experience and practice instead of just looking for answers on a document.

Thank again!

Saludos,

Magali

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De: sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] En nombre de Luke Fernandez
Enviado el: Sábado, 02 de Mayo de 2009 11:15 a.m.
Para: Sergio Pili
CC: adrianas at unitech.com.ar; sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org
Asunto: Re: [Building Sakai] How to do tests with samigo without acces tothe rest of sakai

Clever students would probably cache course material elsewhere.....although that may not be a concern......here's some stuff to consider (my apologies if you already have): there's lots of strategies you can employ depending on what level of test security you need and how "high stakes" the test is.  If you really need to block access to the rest of the course you might consider delivering the test in a testing center, blocking the rest of the course, and putting the browsers in kiosk mode so the student can't wander elsewhere on the Web.....hmmmm....but the student could still get into their My Workspace right?  Seems like Samigo needs something like SecureExam or some other service which allows for secure testing in an LMS.  Is this available or is it being developed?

BTW, this is also an interesting conversation framed within the larger conversation that some tech prognosticators are having about "the future of the LMS".....at Academix 2009 in SLC David Wiley predicts that the next iteration of LMS will focus mostly on a gradebook and a secure testing tool.....David envisions that most everything else will be hosted on the Web....we have instructors who teach more or less this way too.....still not sure I buy this wholesale.....but it is an interesting vision.  

Luke

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:15 AM, Sergio Pili <sergiop at unitech.com.ar> wrote:

David, Lydia, thank you.

Lydia is right. That is what we need, so that what David is proposing, we can not implement. :-(

Yes, all the students are taking the test during a fixed time period. For a couple of hours to be precise. The idea of hiding the resource files is not bad. I suppose that can be programmed to do something on a massive scale even.

Hmmm…. We can create and assign a new role while the studentes are taking the tests…

The role would not have permissions to resources, chat, Melete, forums, etc..

But I can’t find how to remove read permissions to some tools like syllabus, glossary , dropbox, messages…

Is this possible?

What think about this way?

Thank again!

Saludos,

Sergio

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De: Lydia Li [mailto:lydial at stanford.edu] 
Enviado el: Domingo, 19 de Abril de 2009 04:40
Para: DAVID ROLDAN MARTINEZ
CC: Sergio Pili; sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org

Asunto: Re: [Building Sakai] How to do tests with samigo without acces to the rest of sakai

David,

    Thanks for helping out.   Did you mean to take the students out of the old site and put them into a new site that only has the Samigo tests?   I think Sergio only wanted to block students' access to other Sakai tools,  such as course's materials,  when  they are in the middle of taking a test.  The students should still be able to  access course materials when they are not taking the test.  If you put the students in a new site that only has Samigo tests, they would not be able to access the course materials when they are not taking a test.  I'm not sure if that's what Sergio wants.

Sergio, are all the students taking the test during a fixed time period, say, within a certain week? If so, you could hide the materials for that week.   My guess is that you were probably asking for something more complicated.  Unfortunately I can't think of any better ways now.  

thanks,
Lydia

DAVID ROLDAN MARTINEZ wrote: 

 Hi Sergio,

 This David Rold�n Mart�nez from Universidad Polit�cnica de Valencia (Spain). Maybe this workaround can be useful for you. I haven't tested it but I think it should work. :)

 Every quizz has a public url. You can create a site and include only a set of these urls. In this way, students only will have acces to quizzes. But...the only type of resource you can include oin the quizz have to be public.  Lydia, do you think this will work?

 Hope this helps.

 David
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De: sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [sakai-dev-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] En nombre de Sergio Pili [sergiop at unitech.com.ar]
Enviado el: viernes, 17 de abril de 2009 18:28
Para: 'Lydia Li'
CC: sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org
Asunto: Re: [Building Sakai] How to do tests with samigo without acces to       the     rest of sakai

Thanks Lydia.

Yes, the idea is to block a particular user immediately and just do the
exam. Thus creating a new role is not practical.

The problem is that teachers do not want students to have access to course's
material while they are doing the exam.

There is no way to do this? Any other idea?

Saludos,
Sergio

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De: Lydia Li [mailto:lydial at stanford.edu]
Enviado el: Jueves, 16 de Abril de 2009 18:29
Para: Sergio Pili
CC: sakai-dev at collab.sakaiproject.org
Asunto: Re: [Building Sakai] How to do tests with samigo without acces to
the rest of sakai

Sergio Pili wrote:

Hi,

Is it possible to deny access to the rest of the tools for a single user
that is doing a test with samigo?

My only idea would be to create a new role via Realm for the site that
only has permissions for Samigo checked, and assign the students to this
role, but I'm not sure if that would work for you.

Are you asking if there was a way to immediately block a particular user
access to other sakai tools as soon as he/she starts taking a test in
Samigo? I'm not sure if there is a way...  Others might have some ideas.

thanks,
Lydia

Thanks!

Saludos,
Sergio
Unitech

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