[DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience] micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?

[Nate Angell]

Today Zotero posted an announcement related to our musings in this thread:

We’re delighted to announce Zotero Everywhere, a major new initiative
generously funded by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation. Zotero
Everywhere is aimed at dramatically increasing the accessibility of
Zotero to the widest possible range of users today and in the future.
Zotero Everywhere will have two main components: a standalone desktop
version of Zotero with full integration into a variety of web browsers
and a radically expanded application programming interface (API) to
provide web and mobile access to Zotero libraries.
http://www.zotero.org/blog/zoteros-next-big-step/

- Nate

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Nate Angell <nangell at rsmart.com> wrote:
>> I'm probably talking crazy, but seems like it would be easier to get
>> something like Zotero to talk to Sakai 3 grading/content storage
>> capabilities via "the UnSakai" than to recreate everything Zotero has
>> already built in UX, etc.
>
> Well, much of what Zotero does (screen-scraping metadata, for example)
> is orthogonal to this use case though. And what they do on the
> annotation end is, at this point, really no more sophisticated than
> the marginalia example that Michael posted.
>
> I guess the main difference is that you know the structure of content
> within your application (WordPress, Moodle, Sakai), while you don't
> with any random content out there on the web.
>
> But that's just technical implementation details; seems fair enough to
> at least note the use case?
>
>> My only complaint about Zotero is the Firefox dependency.
>
> Yeah, but there are reasons for that (like there's a whole lot that
> happens in client code difficult or impossible to recreate on other
> browsers; that, and limited resources). Still, I'd like to see this
> change.
>
> Bruce
>
>> - Nate
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Nate Angell <nangell at rsmart.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John: That use case sounds like an extension of Zotero inside Sakai ;)
>>>
>>> Similar technology issues, but different goals (research notes, vs.
>>> assessment commentary).
>>>
>>> Lance and I were chatting about this issue in Denver, where I was
>>> mentioning I'd been having my students use FriendFeed for sharing and
>>> commenting on reading materials. I think it's certainly worth
>>> considering that one might want to grade and/or annotate/comment on
>>> content that lives on the web outside of Sakai (notwithstanding
>>> privacy issues and such), and that thinking in terms of snap-shoting
>>> of that content within Sakai is probably a reasonable approach.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:46 PM, John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I think it is easy to recognise this need, but I think when we get to design time, we might want to make sure we can handle commentary on material that may not be inside Sakai. I can't summon a convincing example right now, but say all students were encouraged to publish a blog on Blogger. You might want to be able to snapshot an article and comment on it for teaching purposes, with those comments (and maybe even grades) being available to Sakai later. I suspect that if we design with this potential situation in mind we will create a more powerful and flexible solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 Sep 2010, at 14:21, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Kenneth Robert Romeo
>>>>>> <kenro at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> This is a great question - it is exactly the kind of capability many of us
>>>>>>> in the T&L group are hoping for in future versions of Sakai.  I guess the
>>>>>>> more pertinent question (or impertinent, depending on how you look at it)
>>>>>>> is *when* this kind of capability is going to be supported in Sakai.  If I
>>>>>>> am not mistaken, it is not in the roadmap yet.  Even just a best guess
>>>>>>> might be more possible than it was a year ago ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, my point in raising the use case was just to make sure it's
>>>>>> considered as part of the formal design process, with the assumption
>>>>>> that if it is not, then a) the feature surely will not be there in
>>>>>> initial versions of Sakai 3, and b) it may be more difficult to add it
>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The link Michael sent, I believe, shows that micro-commentary is a
>>>>>> known general problem, and so not difficult to implement. But I
>>>>>> imagine the edu-specific "wrinkle" I mentioned would offer some UI/UX
>>>>>> challenges, and hence some resources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce
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