[DG: Teaching & Learning] Journaling in Sakai
Ramachandran,Narasi
rnarasi at ufl.edu
Tue Sep 14 07:27:15 PDT 2010
Yes you can use Blogger tools. A post can be public or private between site admin and originator.
Narasi
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Subject: [DG: Teaching & Learning] Journaling in Sakai
Hi there. Can anyone tell\show me if Sakai provides a Journal
environment? One between a single student and teacher?
Thanks.
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> 1. Re: [DG: User Experience] micro-commentary use case for
> gradable content in Sakai 3? (John Norman)
> 2. Re: [DG: User Experience] micro-commentary use case for
> gradable content in Sakai 3? (Nate Angell)
> 3. Re: [DG: User Experience] micro-commentary use case for
> gradable content in Sakai 3? (Nate Angell)
> 4. Re: [DG: User Experience] micro-commentary use case for
> gradable content in Sakai 3? (Nate Angell)
> 5. Re: [DG: User Experience] micro-commentary use case for
> gradable content in Sakai 3? (Robert Squillace)
> 6. Re: [DG: User Experience] micro-commentary use case for
> gradable content in Sakai 3? (Michael Feldstein)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 21:46:47 +0100
> From: John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience]
> micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
> To: Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com>
> Cc: pedagogy Learning <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>, Sakai UX
> <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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> I think it is easy to recognise this need, but I think when we get to
> design time, we might want to make sure we can handle commentary on
> material that may not be inside Sakai. I can't summon a convincing example
> right now, but say all students were encouraged to publish a blog on
> Blogger. You might want to be able to snapshot an article and comment on
> it for teaching purposes, with those comments (and maybe even grades)
> being available to Sakai later. I suspect that if we design with this
> potential situation in mind we will create a more powerful and flexible
> solution.
>
> John
>
> On 13 Sep 2010, at 14:21, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Kenneth Robert Romeo
>> <kenro at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>> This is a great question - it is exactly the kind of capability many of
>>> us
>>> in the T&L group are hoping for in future versions of Sakai. I guess
>>> the
>>> more pertinent question (or impertinent, depending on how you look at
>>> it)
>>> is *when* this kind of capability is going to be supported in Sakai.
>>> If I
>>> am not mistaken, it is not in the roadmap yet. Even just a best guess
>>> might be more possible than it was a year ago ....
>>
>> FWIW, my point in raising the use case was just to make sure it's
>> considered as part of the formal design process, with the assumption
>> that if it is not, then a) the feature surely will not be there in
>> initial versions of Sakai 3, and b) it may be more difficult to add it
>> later.
>>
>> The link Michael sent, I believe, shows that micro-commentary is a
>> known general problem, and so not difficult to implement. But I
>> imagine the edu-specific "wrinkle" I mentioned would offer some UI/UX
>> challenges, and hence some resources.
>>
>> Bruce
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:05:50 -0400
> From: Nate Angell <nangell at rsmart.com>
> Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience]
> micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
> To: John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk>
> Cc: Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com>, pedagogy Learning
> <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>, Sakai UX
> <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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> John: That use case sounds like an extension of Zotero inside Sakai ;)
>
> - Nate
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:46 PM, John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>> I think it is easy to recognise this need, but I think when we get to
>> design time, we might want to make sure we can handle commentary on
>> material that may not be inside Sakai. I can't summon a convincing
>> example right now, but say all students were encouraged to publish a
>> blog on Blogger. You might want to be able to snapshot an article and
>> comment on it for teaching purposes, with those comments (and maybe even
>> grades) being available to Sakai later. I suspect that if we design with
>> this potential situation in mind we will create a more powerful and
>> flexible solution.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 13 Sep 2010, at 14:21, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Kenneth Robert Romeo
>>> <kenro at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>> This is a great question - it is exactly the kind of capability many
>>>> of us
>>>> in the T&L group are hoping for in future versions of Sakai. ?I guess
>>>> the
>>>> more pertinent question (or impertinent, depending on how you look at
>>>> it)
>>>> is *when* this kind of capability is going to be supported in Sakai.
>>>> ?If I
>>>> am not mistaken, it is not in the roadmap yet. ?Even just a best guess
>>>> might be more possible than it was a year ago ....
>>>
>>> FWIW, my point in raising the use case was just to make sure it's
>>> considered as part of the formal design process, with the assumption
>>> that if it is not, then a) the feature surely will not be there in
>>> initial versions of Sakai 3, and b) it may be more difficult to add it
>>> later.
>>>
>>> The link Michael sent, I believe, shows that micro-commentary is a
>>> known general problem, and so not difficult to implement. But I
>>> imagine the edu-specific "wrinkle" I mentioned would offer some UI/UX
>>> challenges, and hence some resources.
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> sakai-ux mailing list
>>> sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:29:42 -0400
> From: Nate Angell <nangell at rsmart.com>
> Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience]
> micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
> To: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sakai UX <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>, pedagogy Learning
> <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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> I'm probably talking crazy, but seems like it would be easier to get
> something like Zotero to talk to Sakai 3 grading/content storage
> capabilities via "the UnSakai" than to recreate everything Zotero has
> already built in UX, etc.
>
> My only complaint about Zotero is the Firefox dependency.
>
> - Nate
>
> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Nate Angell <nangell at rsmart.com> wrote:
>>
>>> John: That use case sounds like an extension of Zotero inside Sakai ;)
>>
>> Similar technology issues, but different goals (research notes, vs.
>> assessment commentary).
>>
>> Lance and I were chatting about this issue in Denver, where I was
>> mentioning I'd been having my students use FriendFeed for sharing and
>> commenting on reading materials. I think it's certainly worth
>> considering that one might want to grade and/or annotate/comment on
>> content that lives on the web outside of Sakai (notwithstanding
>> privacy issues and such), and that thinking in terms of snap-shoting
>> of that content within Sakai is probably a reasonable approach.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:46 PM, John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I think it is easy to recognise this need, but I think when we get to
>>>> design time, we might want to make sure we can handle commentary on
>>>> material that may not be inside Sakai. I can't summon a convincing
>>>> example right now, but say all students were encouraged to publish a
>>>> blog on Blogger. You might want to be able to snapshot an article and
>>>> comment on it for teaching purposes, with those comments (and maybe
>>>> even grades) being available to Sakai later. I suspect that if we
>>>> design with this potential situation in mind we will create a more
>>>> powerful and flexible solution.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> On 13 Sep 2010, at 14:21, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Kenneth Robert Romeo
>>>>> <kenro at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> This is a great question - it is exactly the kind of capability many
>>>>>> of us
>>>>>> in the T&L group are hoping for in future versions of Sakai. ?I
>>>>>> guess the
>>>>>> more pertinent question (or impertinent, depending on how you look
>>>>>> at it)
>>>>>> is *when* this kind of capability is going to be supported in Sakai.
>>>>>> ?If I
>>>>>> am not mistaken, it is not in the roadmap yet. ?Even just a best
>>>>>> guess
>>>>>> might be more possible than it was a year ago ....
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, my point in raising the use case was just to make sure it's
>>>>> considered as part of the formal design process, with the assumption
>>>>> that if it is not, then a) the feature surely will not be there in
>>>>> initial versions of Sakai 3, and b) it may be more difficult to add
>>>>> it
>>>>> later.
>>>>>
>>>>> The link Michael sent, I believe, shows that micro-commentary is a
>>>>> known general problem, and so not difficult to implement. But I
>>>>> imagine the edu-specific "wrinkle" I mentioned would offer some UI/UX
>>>>> challenges, and hence some resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> sakai-ux mailing list
>>>>> sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>>>> http://collab.sakaiproject.org/mailman/listinfo/sakai-ux
>>>>>
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> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:57:45 -0400
> From: Nate Angell <nangell at rsmart.com>
> Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience]
> micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
> To: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus at gmail.com>
> Cc: Sakai UX <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>, pedagogy Learning
> <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Nate Angell <nangell at rsmart.com> wrote:
>>> I'm probably talking crazy, but seems like it would be easier to get
>>> something like Zotero to talk to Sakai 3 grading/content storage
>>> capabilities via "the UnSakai" than to recreate everything Zotero has
>>> already built in UX, etc.
>>
>> Well, much of what Zotero does (screen-scraping metadata, for example)
>> is orthogonal to this use case though. And what they do on the
>> annotation end is, at this point, really no more sophisticated than
>> the marginalia example that Michael posted.
>>
>> I guess the main difference is that you know the structure of content
>> within your application (WordPress, Moodle, Sakai), while you don't
>> with any random content out there on the web.
>>
>> But that's just technical implementation details; seems fair enough to
>> at least note the use case?
>
> Noted, tho let's be sure to look for it in the microspecs Clay promised ;)
>
> In related news: your use case may be orthogonal to Zotero's typical
> uses, but how great for Zotero if Sakai could be configured to be a
> Zotero server, and thereby also kill several birds with one stone.
>
>>
>>> My only complaint about Zotero is the Firefox dependency.
>>
>> Yeah, but there are reasons for that (like there's a whole lot that
>> happens in client code difficult or impossible to recreate on other
>> browsers; that, and limited resources). Still, I'd like to see this
>> change.
>
> Yes, I don't blame Zotero, I just don't like dependencies ;)
>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>> - Nate
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Nate Angell <nangell at rsmart.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John: That use case sounds like an extension of Zotero inside Sakai
>>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>> Similar technology issues, but different goals (research notes, vs.
>>>> assessment commentary).
>>>>
>>>> Lance and I were chatting about this issue in Denver, where I was
>>>> mentioning I'd been having my students use FriendFeed for sharing and
>>>> commenting on reading materials. I think it's certainly worth
>>>> considering that one might want to grade and/or annotate/comment on
>>>> content that lives on the web outside of Sakai (notwithstanding
>>>> privacy issues and such), and that thinking in terms of snap-shoting
>>>> of that content within Sakai is probably a reasonable approach.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 4:46 PM, John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I think it is easy to recognise this need, but I think when we get
>>>>>> to design time, we might want to make sure we can handle commentary
>>>>>> on material that may not be inside Sakai. I can't summon a
>>>>>> convincing example right now, but say all students were encouraged
>>>>>> to publish a blog on Blogger. You might want to be able to snapshot
>>>>>> an article and comment on it for teaching purposes, with those
>>>>>> comments (and maybe even grades) being available to Sakai later. I
>>>>>> suspect that if we design with this potential situation in mind we
>>>>>> will create a more powerful and flexible solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 Sep 2010, at 14:21, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Kenneth Robert Romeo
>>>>>>> <kenro at stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This is a great question - it is exactly the kind of capability
>>>>>>>> many of us
>>>>>>>> in the T&L group are hoping for in future versions of Sakai. ?I
>>>>>>>> guess the
>>>>>>>> more pertinent question (or impertinent, depending on how you look
>>>>>>>> at it)
>>>>>>>> is *when* this kind of capability is going to be supported in
>>>>>>>> Sakai. ?If I
>>>>>>>> am not mistaken, it is not in the roadmap yet. ?Even just a best
>>>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>>> might be more possible than it was a year ago ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW, my point in raising the use case was just to make sure it's
>>>>>>> considered as part of the formal design process, with the
>>>>>>> assumption
>>>>>>> that if it is not, then a) the feature surely will not be there in
>>>>>>> initial versions of Sakai 3, and b) it may be more difficult to add
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The link Michael sent, I believe, shows that micro-commentary is a
>>>>>>> known general problem, and so not difficult to implement. But I
>>>>>>> imagine the edu-specific "wrinkle" I mentioned would offer some
>>>>>>> UI/UX
>>>>>>> challenges, and hence some resources.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> sakai-ux mailing list
>>>>>>> sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org
>>>>>>> http://collab.sakaiproject.org/mailman/listinfo/sakai-ux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: send email to
>>>>>>> sakai-ux-unsubscribe at collab.sakaiproject.org with a subject of
>>>>>>> "unsubscribe"
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 09:57:45 -0400
> From: Robert Squillace <rs84 at nyu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience]
> micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
> To: John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk>
> Cc: Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com>, pedagogy Learning
> <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>, Sakai UX
> <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>
> Message-ID: <57c0f2e92a9ad.4c8f4719 at mail.nyu.edu>
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> Dear All,
>
> I wanted to support John's point about the value of an annotation tool
> capable of handling commentary on material outside Sakai. I think such a
> tool would be enormously useful, and could in fact make humanities faculty
> fall in rapturous love with Sakai 3. The reason is social reading -
> social reading is probably the killer app for faculty in humanities
> fields, as Lucy Appert and I discovered at a summer roundtable she
> organized in our program. Even technophobic faculty members who haven't
> the faintest idea why they would ever tag anything or participate in an
> online network with colleagues will say things like, "What I'd REALLY like
> to be able to do is have a text online that all my students could mark up
> TOGETHER, the way I encourage them to mark up their individual books
> (which they avoid doing because they want to sell them back to the book
> store at the end of the semester)."
>
> An annotation tool that allowed commentary on e-books outside Sakai might
> provide the very functionality they are describing (if such a tool could
> allow the posting of links, attachments, and images, all the better).
> Some of our instructors have used applications like Book Glutton, but it
> has the same problem that all 3rd party apps have - the comments students
> post belong to Book Glutton and live only on the Book Glutton server; they
> don't belong to the student and can't be stored in a personal repository,
> shared outside the Book Glutton site, etc. Even the ability to annotate
> particular passages the instructor has snapshot (snapshotted?) from
> whatever source (within fair use, of course) would be extremely welcome -
> being able to post, say, a T'ang Dynasty Chinese lyric or a Shakespearean
> soliloquy that all students in a class could annotate would be a godsend
> for many instructors, and the ability for students to maintain ownership
> of their annotations is crucial. [Furth
> er out, one could even imagine a class collaboratively turning a
> plain-text edition of a work (the e-book equivalent of a Dover thrift
> edition - and, of course, very few e-books include any scholarly apparatus
> at all) into a critical edition - or such scholarly editing at a higher
> level among faculty colleagues].
>
> Yours,
> Bob Squillace
>
> Dr. Robert L Squillace
> Assistant Dean for Academic Affairs
> Liberal Studies Program
> New York University
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk>
> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User
> Experience] micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
> To: Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com>
> Cc: pedagogy Learning <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>, Sakai UX
> <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>
>> I think it is easy to recognise this need, but I think when we get to
>> design time, we might want to make sure we can handle commentary on
>> material that may not be inside Sakai. I can't summon a convincing
>> example right now, but say all students were encouraged to publish a
>> blog on Blogger. You might want to be able to snapshot an article and
>> comment on it for teaching purposes, with those comments (and maybe
>> even grades) being available to Sakai later. I suspect that if we
>> design with this potential situation in mind we will create a more
>> powerful and flexible solution.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 13 Sep 2010, at 14:21, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Kenneth Robert Romeo
>> > <kenro at stanford.edu> wrote:
>> >> This is a great question - it is exactly the kind of capability
>> many of us
>> >> in the T&L group are hoping for in future versions of Sakai. I
>> guess the
>> >> more pertinent question (or impertinent, depending on how you look
>> at it)
>> >> is *when* this kind of capability is going to be supported in
>> Sakai. If I
>> >> am not mistaken, it is not in the roadmap yet. Even just a best
>> guess
>> >> might be more possible than it was a year ago ....
>> >
>> > FWIW, my point in raising the use case was just to make sure it's
>> > considered as part of the formal design process, with the assumption
>> > that if it is not, then a) the feature surely will not be there in
>> > initial versions of Sakai 3, and b) it may be more difficult to add
>> it
>> > later.
>> >
>> > The link Michael sent, I believe, shows that micro-commentary is a
>> > known general problem, and so not difficult to implement. But I
>> > imagine the edu-specific "wrinkle" I mentioned would offer some UI/UX
>> > challenges, and hence some resources.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > sakai-ux mailing list
>> > sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org
>> > http://collab.sakaiproject.org/mailman/listinfo/sakai-ux
>> >
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> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 07:17:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Michael Feldstein <michael.feldstein at oracle.com>
> Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience]
> micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
> To: Robert Squillace <rs84 at nyu.edu>, John Norman
> <john at caret.cam.ac.uk>
> Cc: Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com>, pedagogy Learning
> <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>, Sakai UX
> <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>
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> This idea is expanding fast, so let's try to segment the use cases. Here
> are a few:
>
> - Users can individually mark up text-based content in the LMS.
> - Users can collaboratively mark up text-based content in the LMS.
> - Users can collaboratively mark up text and/or images in the LMS.
> - Users can collaboratively mark up text and/or images out on the web.
> - Users can collaboratively mark up texts and/or images for eBooks where
> individual copies are stored on their offline readers and synchronized
> online periodically.
> - Any markup in any of the scenarios above can take a grade, rubric, etc.
>
> Some random thoughts about the use cases:
>
> - Marking up items within an image is a different ballgame than simply
> marking sections in the HTML DOM. But it could be very useful.
> - Once you start marking up stuff outside the LMS, you need to start
> looking at a browser plugin like Zotero (or a smart phone app). Maybe
> there's a way to suck the external page into the LMS and mark it up within
> an iFrame or something server-side, but that's beyond my technical ability
> to evaluate.
> - Marking up offline resources strikes me as by far the hardest thing to
> do, for a variety of reasons. It's probably not practical at the moment.
> - This could be a separate, LMS-independent open source project that could
> plug into various LMS and non-LMS projects the way Marginalia does.
> Approaching it this way might enable us to attract other developers.
>
> A word of caution: There are a few private source solutions along these
> lines, and if you've looked at them at all, you'll know that the UI can
> get very complicated very quickly.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Squillace [mailto:rs84 at nyu.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:58 AM
> To: John Norman
> Cc: Bruce D'Arcus; pedagogy Learning; Sakai UX
> Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience]
> micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
>
> Dear All,
>
> I wanted to support John's point about the value of an annotation tool
> capable of handling commentary on material outside Sakai. I think such a
> tool would be enormously useful, and could in fact make humanities faculty
> fall in rapturous love with Sakai 3. The reason is social reading -
> social reading is probably the killer app for faculty in humanities
> fields, as Lucy Appert and I discovered at a summer roundtable she
> organized in our program. Even technophobic faculty members who haven't
> the faintest idea why they would ever tag anything or participate in an
> online network with colleagues will say things like, "What I'd REALLY like
> to be able to do is have a text online that all my students could mark up
> TOGETHER, the way I encourage them to mark up their individual books
> (which they avoid doing because they want to sell them back to the book
> store at the end of the semester)."
>
> An annotation tool that allowed commentary on e-books outside Sakai might
> provide the very functionality they are describing (if such a tool could
> allow the posting of links, attachments, and images, all the better).
> Some of our instructors have used applications like Book Glutton, but it
> has the same problem that all 3rd party apps have - the comments students
> post belong to Book Glutton and live only on the Book Glutton server; they
> don't belong to the student and can't be stored in a personal repository,
> shared outside the Book Glutton site, etc. Even the ability to annotate
> particular passages the instructor has snapshot (snapshotted?) from
> whatever source (within fair use, of course) would be extremely welcome -
> being able to post, say, a T'ang Dynasty Chinese lyric or a Shakespearean
> soliloquy that all students in a class could annotate would be a godsend
> for many instructors, and the ability for students to maintain ownership
> of their annotations is crucial. [Furth
> er out, one could even imagine a class collaboratively turning a
> plain-text edition of a work (the e-book equivalent of a Dover thrift
> edition - and, of course, very few e-books include any scholarly
> apparatus at all) into a critical edition - or such scholarly editing at
> a higher level among faculty colleagues].
>
> Yours,
> Bob Squillace
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Norman <john at caret.cam.ac.uk>
> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010 4:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User
> Experience] micro-commentary use case for gradable content in Sakai 3?
> To: Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus at gmail.com>
> Cc: pedagogy Learning <pedagogy at collab.sakaiproject.org>, Sakai UX
> <sakai-ux at collab.sakaiproject.org>
>
>> I think it is easy to recognise this need, but I think when we get to
>> design time, we might want to make sure we can handle commentary on
>> material that may not be inside Sakai. I can't summon a convincing
>> example right now, but say all students were encouraged to publish a
>> blog on Blogger. You might want to be able to snapshot an article and
>> comment on it for teaching purposes, with those comments (and maybe
>> even grades) being available to Sakai later. I suspect that if we
>> design with this potential situation in mind we will create a more
>> powerful and flexible solution.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 13 Sep 2010, at 14:21, Bruce D'Arcus wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Kenneth Robert Romeo
>> > <kenro at stanford.edu> wrote:
>> >> This is a great question - it is exactly the kind of capability
>> many of us
>> >> in the T&L group are hoping for in future versions of Sakai. I
>> guess the
>> >> more pertinent question (or impertinent, depending on how you look
>> at it)
>> >> is *when* this kind of capability is going to be supported in
>> Sakai. If I
>> >> am not mistaken, it is not in the roadmap yet. Even just a best
>> >> guess might be more possible than it was a year ago ....
>> >
>> > FWIW, my point in raising the use case was just to make sure it's
>> > considered as part of the formal design process, with the assumption
>> > that if it is not, then a) the feature surely will not be there in
>> > initial versions of Sakai 3, and b) it may be more difficult to add
>> it
>> > later.
>> >
>> > The link Michael sent, I believe, shows that micro-commentary is a
>> > known general problem, and so not difficult to implement. But I
>> > imagine the edu-specific "wrinkle" I mentioned would offer some
>> > UI/UX challenges, and hence some resources.
>> >
>> > Bruce
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