[DG: Teaching & Learning] [DG: User Experience] Wiki's and Sakai

[John Norman]

FWIW we see the content authoring solution planned for Sakai 3 as  
combining the best of both worlds for site creation and wiki pages. We  
haven't quite figured out what the UX should be to separate out 'wiki'  
use of authoring (i.e. students can edit pages) from 'content  
management' use of authoring (site owners - faculty - can edit pages),  
but the technology is there.

So there are (at least) two options for a collaborative project:
1. Fix up the nearly done work that exists (should be a small task)
2. Introduce the content authoring paradigm into the Sakai 2 roadmap.  
Mostly working, a step towards Sakai 3, but with a larger QA load and  
requiring JCR to be active in the deployment.

Michael's Sakai 3 demo (running on Sakai 2.5/K1) shows what this  
intermediate solution might look like (focus on the 'create new web  
page' parts and imagine you give your students permission to do this).  
There would almost certainly need to be some UX work to make this work  
well for a combined 'content management' and 'wiki' scenario.

John

On 2 Apr 2009, at 01:37, Hardman, Gloria wrote:

> Hello all
>
> Our faculty have generally found the Wiki too difficult as well.  A  
> few have done wonders with it and their students participated with  
> enthusiasm.     For most, it is too much effort to figure it all out.
>
> For those who have used more user-friendly Wiki software it is hard  
> to understand why we can't offer a more user-friendly solution.
>
> We were also hoping for a better editor in 2.6.
>
>
> All the best
>
> Gloria
>
>
> On 4/1/09 4:59 PM, "May, Megan Marie" <mmmay at indiana.edu> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>  Here at IU we're disappointed that the WYSIWYG editing capabilities  
> aren't going to make the 2.6.0 release (see message below for the  
> announcement/rationale).     We've found that faculty try the wiki  
> in Sakai but end up switching to free and inexpensive hosted  
> solutions because they are so much easier to use.   Obviously, the  
> wysiwyg would greatly improve the user experience but it wouldn't  
> resolve the 'ease of use' issues we're hearing about.  This has made  
> us wonder if it might be wise to explore other options, like  
> integration with existing wiki applications.
>
> Do other institutions receive similar feedback?   Has anyone looked  
> into integrating Sakai with a different wiki solution?
>
> Thanks,
> Megan
>
>
>
>
> From: Pete Peterson [mailto:plpeterson at ucdavis.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:45 PM
> To: 'Sakai Developers'; 'Sakai QA'; production at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Cc: Michael Korcuska; Knoop, Peter; Anthony Whyte; Pete Peterson;  
> May, Megan Marie; Stephen Swinsburg; David Horwitz
> Subject: Important information about Sakai 2.6.0 and the rWiki tool
>
> Greetings Sakai Community,
>
> We have been unable to resolve a number of issues with the 2.6 rwiki  
> code, centered around the WYSIWYG editing capabilities and data loss  
> under certain conditions.  At this point in the release cycle we are  
> opting to replace it with the 2.5.x version of rwiki, making the  
> necessary changes to make it compatible with the 2.6 codebase.  We  
> are also re-applying some of the minor fixes and improvements  
> intended for the 2.6 version of rwiki to the 2.5.x-based version  
> (see SAK-15866 <http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-15866><http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-15866 
> >  for more details).
>
> Summary
> *        We have rolled the rwiki code back to the 2.5 version which  
> has proven stable in many production instances.
>
> ·        Many of the updated rwiki features that are present in  
> trunk/ the original 2.6 version, have been merged back into this  
> version. Details of this effort can be viewed at SAK-15866 <http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-15866 
> ><http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-15866>  (many thanks  
> to Steve Swinsburg for his work on this issue).
>
> *        This new hybrid-rwiki has been tested and seems to work as  
> expected.
>
>
> With regards to the WYSIWYG editing capabilities for rwiki scheduled  
> for inclusion in  Sakai 2.6 (SAK-8535 <http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-8535 
> ><http://jira.sakaiproject.org/jira/browse/SAK-8535> ), we will  
> continue explore options for implementing such functionality at a  
> later time.  This is an oft requested features, so if you are  
> interested in helping us explore and implement possible solutions,  
> please contact Peter Knoop <mailto:knoop at umich.edu><mailto:knoop at umich.edu 
> > , Sakai Project Coordinator.
>
> If you have any questions, comments or suggestions please send them  
> to us by 3/31/2009.
>
> Thank you for your time and support,
>
> Pete Peterson
> QA Director, Sakai Foundation
> plpeterson at ucdavis.edu
> Phone: +1-530-754-7259
>
>
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