[WG: I18N & L10N] French start to use Crowdin, will you join us ?

Thu Oct 17 04:49:33 PDT 2013

Hi Yuji,

There would be a great benefit I think when the community can agree on a single platform because then it would be possible to integrate the synching of the translations with SVN via the automated build process (continuous localization).

I used CrowdIn for the OAE translation and found it a very useful tool. I also had a quick glance at Transifex which appeared very similar feature wise but also the translation UI looks nearly the same. One advantage of Transifex is that it allows you to work with releases. Thus you can maintain the translations for TRUNK and the current maintenance branch separately. CrowdIn is free for Open Source projects. I noticed Transifex mentions a free plan for Open Source project on their website so this seems contrary to your experiences. I have created a page in confluence where we can compare Transifex with CrowdIn:

https://confluence.sakaiproject.org/x/KwAkBQ

The French community looked at both Transifex as CrowdIn. Perhaps they can also share their findings here?

I have invited you as a translator in CrowdIn. So please feel free to evaluate it against Transifex.

Kind regards,

Mark

Mark Breuker
Product Owner
Tel.: +31 71 5451 203
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Van: i18n-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [i18n-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] namens Yuji Tokiwa [yuji.tokiwa.dc at hosei.ac.jp]
Verzonden: donderdag 17 oktober 2013 12:30
Aan: José Mariano Luján
CC: i18n at collab.sakaiproject.org; frederic dooremont
Onderwerp: Re: [WG: I18N & L10N] French start to use Crowdin,   will you join us ?

Dear all,

On behalf of Japanese Sakai community, I would explain the status of
translation using Transifex in Japan.

In 2012, we evaluated Transifex and confirmed that it had a capability of ;
- Import/export of translation memory
- Support for Java properties, po and so on
- Community translation
- Double-byte character
- Performance

In 2013, we started the project which was aiming to develop a common
translation memory exchange (TMX) for higher education in Japan and
deploy the translation methodology to unify the translation process
for higher education software. Fortunately, this project was approved
by Japan Society for the Promotion of Science (JSPS) Grant in three
years. Along the project plan, we are developing TMXs not only for
Sakai, but also for Moodle, and Mahara.

About the status as of Oct. 17, 2013, we translated Sakai-2.9.3-all by
94% as you can see at
https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/sakai-293/language/ja/
At this time no problem is found, we believe that Transifex has the
capability for translating Sakai-2.9.3-all into Japanese.

I think that one of future subjects is cost because Transifex is not
free basically.
Talking about our project, we solicited Transifex for the discount by
explaining that our project is open source and non-profit. As a
result, Transifex kindly offered us a special plan for 600k words at
the discounted charge of 2000$ per a year. Normally, the cost depends
on the number of words as you can see at
https://www.transifex.com/plans/ .
The number of word is calculated as number of words of source codes
multiplied by number of languages. Since Sakai-2.9.3-all has 80k
words, we can only set 7 languages by the 600k words plan.
If Apereo foundation will propose Transifex as one of the community
translation platforms, the coordination with Transifex corp. should be
required.

Now I recognized that Crowdin and Transifex are being evaluated by
regional communities. And I think that we cannot limit the translation
platforms to one, too quickly. In a few years, regional communities
will try the translation platforms. After accumulating the
experiences, we will discuss about the advantages and disadvantages of
the translation systems from the global viewpoint.

Best wishes,

Saludos,
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Yuji Tokiwa
Professor
Research Center for Computing and Multimedia Studies, Hosei University
Tel: +81-42-387-6070  Mail: yuji.tokiwa.dc at hosei.ac.jp

2013/10/16 José Mariano Luján <jmariano at um.es>:
> Hi Frederic and Jean Francois,
>
> Great to know that. The spanish community will discuss which tool to use on
> their next meeting (7th and 8th of November). The discussion will be around
> Crowdin (French community already using it) and Transifex (Japanese
> community already using it). We might ping both of you before the meeting to
> ask for some more information.
>
> Thanks for the announcement,
> cheers,
> Mariano
>
>
> El 15/10/2013, a las 16:53, frederic dooremont escribió:
>
> Hi all,
> The French community maintaining the fr_FR locale has decided to switch to
> Crowdin for its updates.
> It is for us the best among known tools for asynchronous translation.
> We have developed a script to update the
> http://www.sakaiproject.org/sakai-cle account with the current content of
> trunk.
> It won't be much more work to update all languages than to update French
> (France) only.
> The currently intended frequency updating Crowdin from trunk is once a week
> for the default language files.
> If you use Crowdin for your translation, please keep us informed.
> If you've found issues with Crowdin, please tell us.
> Looking forward to getting news from you on i18n at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Cheers,
> Frédéric Dooremont and Jean-François Lévêque
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