[Contrib: Evaluation System] provider not being called
Jim Eng
jimeng at umich.edu
Tue Sep 28 09:16:02 PDT 2010
That will be a problem if it works that way. We will need to get updates about once a day, especially early in a semester. Updates will need to add and remove people from groups. I would be surprised if there is not support for that.
Jim
On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Richard C. Moyer II wrote:
> The evaluation takes a snapshot of the data when it is created. Only those students enrolled at the time the evaluation is built are included.
>
> Likewise a student who drops or withdraws are still included in the evaluation.
>
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: evaluation-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org [mailto:evaluation-bounces at collab.sakaiproject.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hedrick
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:43 AM
> To: Aaron Zeckoski
> Cc: evaluation at collab.sakaiproject.org
> Subject: Re: [Contrib: Evaluation System] provider not being called
>
> What happens if a student adds a course after the evals are set up?
>
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Aaron Zeckoski wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>> That is correct. The group provider is only consulted when setting up
>> the evals or updating them. Otherwise, the internal DB groups records
>> are used. This was done to remove the bottlenecks and performance
>> issues related to providers which were not written as efficiently. It
>> also simplified a lot of the logic by removing complex merges of data
>> from various sources.
>>
>> For the rutgers situation, it may be beneficial to examine the groups
>> tables and see if data is missing. If the groups tables have the data
>> but the users still are unable to access things then there might be
>> something wrong.
>>
>> -AZ
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Jim Eng <jimeng at umich.edu> wrote:
>>> I am following this discussion closely because we are hoping to move
>>> to a newer version of evalsys. It seems to me that Aaron Z told us a
>>> year or so ago that the way the group provider works had changed at some point.
>>> If I recall correctly, in early versions of evalsys, the provider was
>>> consulted frequently while handling user requests. In trunk (or
>>> 1.3.x), I think he said that the group information is stored
>>> internally and the group provider is consulted occasionally to update
>>> it. That was done to streamline queries that matched users with evals by group membership, IIRC.
>>>
>>> Is this a correct description? If so, your question might be why the
>>> group info is not being persisted adequately within sakai, rather
>>> than why the group provider is not being consulted in handling particular requests.
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2010, at 9:21 AM, Aaron Watters wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>> I work with Chuck at Rutgers. I will try to answer your questions
>>> and Chuck can correct me if he feels the need.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Richard C. Moyer II <rmoyer at umd.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Charles,
>>>>
>>>> Here at Maryland we also use the eval group provider, but
>>>> unfortunately, I cannot reproduce your error. Currently I'm in the
>>>> middle of testing evaluation trunk, revision 70243, against our
>>>> config and providers with the hope of migrating to sakai 2.7.
>>>>
>>>> To help trouble shoot your situation, we'll need a little
>>>> more details.
>>>>
>>>> 1. 'We're not seeing people in our evaluations' - are you signing on
>>>> as a student and there are no evaluations or are signing on as an
>>>> instructor or admin?
>>>>
>>>
>>> We tried both. The students see no evaluations and the admins see 0
>>> students in the evaluations.
>>>
>>>> 2. 'Our evaluations come entirely from the Rutgers provider.' - are
>>>> you building your evaluations outside of the sakai evaluation tool
>>>> and importing in or are you building the evaluation using this tool
>>>> and your groups, students, instructors, and TA come from your provider?
>>>>
>>>
>>> We import the evaluation data directly into the database.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. 'old code' do you have a date or revision number?
>>>>
>>> I believe it was the 1.2 stable release.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 4. 'new code' do you have a date or revision number?
>>>>
>>>
>>> 1.3 RC 2.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 5. what are the results from the Test EvalGroupProvider from the
>>>> Administrate screen? As an admin, student & groupId.
>>>> Are you getting back Rutger's IDs or sakai IDs?
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Unexpected error" with the following (abbreviated) traceback in
>>> catalina.out
>>>
>>> 2010-09-28 09:05:03,200 WARN (RenderHandlerBracketer.java:107) -
>>> <Exception rendering view: >
>>> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Cannot add leaf component with ID
>>> summary-link of class uk.org.ponder.rsf.components.UIInternalLink as a child
>>> of component with ID viewroot of class uk.org.ponder.rsf.view.ViewRoot
>>> since it would displace an existing child of the same name.
>>> Please remove the existing component first.
>>> at
>>> uk.org.ponder.rsf.components.UIContainer.addComponent(UIContainer.java:142)
>>> at
>>> uk.org.ponder.rsf.components.UIInternalLink.make(UIInternalLink.java:40)
>>> at
>>> org.sakaiproject.evaluation.tool.producers.AdminTestEGProviderProducer.fillComponents(AdminTestEGProviderProducer.java:133)
>>> at
>>> uk.org.ponder.rsf.view.support.ViewCollector.fillComponents(ViewCollector.java:56)....
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6. are you using a UserDirectoryProvider?
>>>
>>> It doesn't look like it. Should we be?
>>> The Rutgers interface implements the following signature
>>>
>>> public class RutgersEvalGroupsProvider implements
>>> org.sakaiproject.evaluation.providers.EvalGroupsProvider {...}
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The summaryProducer, and supporting code has gone through several
>>>> enhancements and re-writes over the years. It's possible that
>>>> depending on how old your code is that your caught in a void that has since been fixed.
>>>>
>>>> Please let us know this info and perhaps we can dig a little deeper
>>>> into the code.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your attention. -- Aaron Watters (aaron at rutgers.edu)
>>>
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